TPTK reraised on flop with Flush draw showing - Twice at Party 25 NL

[jjb108]

This happened 2 times within about 30 mins. I have AKo and flop TPTK. I bet pot and am reraised. What do they have and this seems to be happening to me alot lately. I've been laying some down but I had no respect for either player. The desire to tap the glass on the second one was hard to resist. Too much Super System??

Comments on my play are welcome. I think its ok?

Here they are:

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<font color="#C00000">Hero ($26.6)</font>
UTG+2 ($46.63)
MP1 ($20.5)
MP2 ($49.2)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($39.82)</font>
CO ($43.9)
Button ($32.05)
SB ($44)
BB ($24.25)
UTG ($26.9)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.50, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($8.25) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $16</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($40.25) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $9</font>, Hero calls $8.10 (All-In).

River: ($57.35) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $57.35


and...


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($23.35)
Button ($23.5)
SB ($50.37)
BB ($17.1)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($23.5)</font>
UTG+1 ($26.4)
UTG+2 ($56.25)
MP1 ($20.8)
MP2 ($24.65)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($27.65)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, CO folds, Button calls $2.50, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $2, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($8.75) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8.35</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $21 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $12.65.

Turn: ($50.75) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($50.75) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $50.75

[TheWorstPlayer]

I think you're too short stacked to fold in both cases and you are ahead quite often. In the first one I would push. A set would be way more likely to smooth call. I think they could easily have pair+flush draw or straight draw+flush draw in both cases which would give you odds to call/push. Also, from EP you can think about check/raising these flops as an alternate line. Sometimes that works better, but these are such short stacks compared to the size of the pot that there isn't too much you can do but call, I dont think.

[jjb108]

Hadn't thought about the check raise, I'll have to give it a try. Seeing the same thing 2 times in 30 mins. is probably just a coincidence. Thanks for the check/raise advice.

[jjb108]

Shown the flush draw in both cases. WTF is with the reraise.

[TheWorstPlayer]

It's not a terrible play (although the first guy should've gone all in of course, not kept $9 for the turn, WTF?). First of all, maybe you missed the flop. If you had AQ instead of AK, you would've folded for certain, right? Second of all, he had plenty of outs even if you call and now when he hits the set you are set up to call a big bet. It's aggressive for sure, but I don't think it is bad. (Except for that dude who min-raised. I'll never understand that guy.)

[jjb108]

Very good perspective...I've been known to bet when whiffing the flop. Seems like they're charging themselves alot for the draw. If I could do math, I could probably figure out how often I have to be bluffing and fold to make that correct.

[jimdmcevoy]

I would have done the same in both cases, except in the first hand I would have gone all in on the flop after I got raised, although not a huge difference, as he would have odds to call with a flush draw anyway.