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hypermegachi

01-16-2005, 04:19 AM

i just moved up to 2/4 recently, and so far over my mini sample size of 475 my AKo is 0% win out of 5 times. i used to play 1/2 shorthanded, so this 2/4 full ring is a whole different world, and i need to adjust. here's all of my AKo hands so far, what would have you done differently?

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HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
Main Pot: 8.75 BB, between Hero and MP3. > Pot won by MP3 (8.75 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Ac (high card, ace).
MP3 has Js 6s (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: MP3 wins 8.75 BB. 

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HAND 2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, 7 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB
Main Pot: 5.50 BB, between SB and Hero. > Pot won by SB (5.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB has 9h Qh (one pair, nines).
Hero has Kh Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins 5.50 BB. 

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HAND 3:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB
Main Pot: 11.25 BB, between CO, Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button (11.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ks (one pair, jacks).
CO has 5h Ac (two pair, jacks and fives).
Button has 9s 9d (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: Button wins 11.25 BB. 

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HAND 4:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (11.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB
Main Pot: 13.25 BB, between MP2 and CO. > Pot won by CO (13.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
CO has 8c 9s (straight, jack high).
Outcome: CO wins 13.25 BB. 

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HAND 5:

this was near the end of the session, and after getting my butt kicked so much with AK i didn't feel like raising anymore preflop

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (1.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (1.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.75 BB
Main Pot: 3.75 BB, between CO and BB. > Pot won by BB (3.75 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB has 8h Ac (two pair, eights and fours).
CO has Ks 8d (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: BB wins 3.75 BB.

ZZZ

01-16-2005, 04:40 AM

Hand 1 the standard line is to check fold the turn. Heads up calling down unimproved with AK is OK occasionally, but this doesn't look like the spot for it. It's pretty clear MP3 is raising with some sort of pair since there's no draws on the board.

Hand 2 is standard. I don't think there's any other way to play it. Note there's lots of stuff besides pairs that SB could be calling with on the flop.

Hand 3 and Hand 4 are tough without reads. I would tend to bet the flop and turn like you did though. Rivers are probably check-folds 3 handed, but check-calls heads up.

Hand 5 not raising preflop is silly. Take a break if you're choosing to make plays you know are inferior. In any case, I think you should be the flop, you likely have the best hand here.

ZZZ

ZZZ

01-16-2005, 04:45 AM

In Hand 4, I tend not to cap preflop with AK out of position, but it depends on the 3 bettor.

ZZZ

Harv72b

01-16-2005, 12:08 PM

Hand 1: Check/fold the turn. This is one of those differences between full ring & 6-max games--you're much less likely to run into a total bluff, which is the only thing you're beating at that point. The pot isn't big enough to justify hanging around.

Hand 2: Exactly the way I'd normally play it. No use in betting the river, because any hand that calls a bet beats you.

Hand 3: Fold the river.

Hand 4: Check/call the turn. MP2 almost certainly has a PP & possibly an overpair, but you have pot odds to chase your 6-outer (downgraded to 5 in case MP2 is on KK-AA). Also, make a note on MP2 after the hand--he's giving you credit for AA the entire hand, which probably means that he will only cap preflop with AA-KK.

Hand 5: Raise preflop. You would probably be 1-5 with AKo if you had done that & bet the flop. You can't allow short-term results to affect your game play.

hypermegachi

01-16-2005, 12:32 PM

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Hand 5: Raise preflop. You would probably be 1-5 with AKo if you had done that & bet the flop. You can't allow short-term results to affect your game play.

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thanks! when i played shorthanded i usually used how much calling i did as an indicator of playing poorly/on tilt. but not raising really is stupid :P. lucky for me it was a small pot.

at least the good thing about this first crappy session is going through pokertracker and looking at all my biggest losses. i was rivered 3 times, in big pots. i was down 20BB at the end of the session, so those 3 pots woulda put me up positive. short term variance sucks!