Why Do I Suck At SNGs?

[nebben]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">SB (t755)</font>
BB (t530)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1135)
UTG+2 (t785)
MP1 (t895)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t760)</font>
MP3 (t800)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t785)</font>
Button (t755)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t175</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t165, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls t145.

Flop: (t585) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t225</font>, SB calls t225, MP2 calls t225.

Turn: (t1260) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t360 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t385 (All-In)</font>, SB calls t355 (All-In).

River: (t2360) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2360

I cannot win consistently, I feel like I am playing well but i cannot turn a profit.

Would anyone be willing to look at a tournament and help id my errors?

[skoal2k4]

you played it pretty much the same as I would... although I think I might bet a bit more aggressively on the flop. I hate seeing the 2 suited on the flop... I always think that someone is on a 4 flush, so when I have a fairly dominant hand like that, I'll bet the pot. Nobody has really given you a reason PF or on the flop to believe that they have the better hand. of course, if you only bet the pot, you're pretty much pot committed in my mind, so a push might be better... a little overly aggressive, but you weren't really gonna lay those Q's down anyway right? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

That's just me though

Robbie

[YourFoxyGrandma]

Preflop play is fine. On the flop, you need to push. Betting less than half the pot gives anyone with a 4-flush proper odds to call you.

Also, I'm no master, but I'd be willing to sit through a couple SNGs with you. PM me if you're interested.

[Sidekick]

Your preflop play is fine. I personally would only raise it to about 120. This is enough to drive off (or it should) the weaker hands, but not so much that you can't easily get out of the hand on a terrible flop.

The flop is where you really went wrong IMO. You bet 225 into a 585 pot, making the total pot 810. If the next person to act is on a flush draw they now have correct odds to call. If the person after them is on a flush or straight draw, they have correct odds to call as well if the person in front called.

You have to examine the board and determine how much you need to bet to give people incorrect odds to call you in situations like this. On this hand I would push on the flop. I don't mind taking down the 585 chips that are in the pot right now. There are really only 3 hands I would be worried about given the preflop action (44, 66 and 88). While someone holding 7 and 5 would be ahead I can't see anyone on that holding given the size of the PF raise. If someone calls me with the flush or straight draw, they might win, but they would be the ones that misplayed the hand at that point.

Over the long run (and the short run can seem extremely long) so long as you force your opponents into situations where they have to make incorrect decisions to beat you, you will be a long term winner.

Hope this helps.

[nebben]

So was this the right way to do it? Or was the overpair difference between Jacks and Queens changing things?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t715)
UTG (t755)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t975)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t410)
CO (t675)
Button (t755)
Hero (t785)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t30</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t147.5</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t135, MP1 calls t120.

Flop: (t477.50) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t635.

Turn: (t1112.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1112.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1112.50

[CDSNUTSINYAMOUTH]

just gotta push on the flop all in. You're committed if you raise anything else. Hope to take whatever's in the pot, and you can live with an overcard flush draw.

[nebben]

Thank you so much for the advice. Since I have started betiting the pot with my top pairs, good kickers and up, i have started winning much more. I have realized that the value of playing 5+1s is not that the players will try to bluff you, or bust out early (although those help) but that they will call you with many, many inferior kickers.

Is this about right? Any further pieces of advice you guys can give me? Thanks again all,

-nebben

[CDSNUTSINYAMOUTH]

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Thank you so much for the advice. Since I have started betiting the pot with my top pairs, good kickers and up, i have started winning much more. I have realized that the value of playing 5+1s is not that the players will try to bluff you, or bust out early (although those help) but that they will call you with many, many inferior kickers.

Is this about right? Any further pieces of advice you guys can give me? Thanks again all,

-nebben

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Not sure if they play like calling stations, since I don't really play 5 dollar sit and goes at all. I wouldn't be playing $5+1 to begin with. But if the extra calling stations and terrible playing offsets that extra .50 entry fee then I guess go for it. But I think you'll have to look at it from a long term perspective. If you play 500 Sit and goes with that extra .50 that's an extra 250 dollars the site is jacking from you. Now if you can make more than that at the $5 STTs than say the $10 STTs I guess it's reasonable. So say your ROI for 5 STT is ~50%. You play 500 of them, that's $3,000 investment. And you get $1,500 profit. To make a $1,500 profit playing 500 STTs at $10+1 STTs, you need to have an ROI of 27%. Almost half of the ROI you achieved at the $5+1. So guess it comes down to, can you beat the $10 STTs game? You probably can and it maybe more profitable if you sacrifice some of the ROI you achieved at the $5+1 level.

[Insty]

There seems to be something missing from the flop betting..

Assuming they checked, you pushed and then one of them called,
that's much more like it.


Although what is with the stupid 50c bets. They annoy me. Why not just bet in whole dollars?!

[lorinda]

Although what is with the stupid 50c bets. They annoy me. Why not just bet in whole dollars?!

It is clear that 147.7 is too much, but I'd still have bet 147.6

Lori

[david050173]

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Although what is with the stupid 50c bets. They annoy me. Why not just bet in whole dollars?!

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Well that is one reason to do them.