Big pot, scary river card

[belloc]

I have two hands from my latest session where the pot was pretty big (15 or more BB), where I was fairly sure I was in good shape until the river card fell. One hand given here, the next in the reply.

Hand 1: CO is LAG (only 20 hands on him, though), and BB is a tricky LAG who is easily beaten by raising his bets and reraising his raises postflop (he almost unblinkingly folds if he has nothing, continues if he has a hand). What are we putting these guys on after fourth street?

I think my river bet is a spew, but I pretty much just moved my mouse to the right and clicked until it broke; the CO raise on the river made me think of course, but I called because the pot was big.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

[belloc]

Hand 2: UTG+1 is BB from last hand (tricky LAG), BB is CO from last hand (LAG with only 20 hands), SB is a Rock, button (PFR) is LA-P.

I think the river is an easy fold for me, but my questions are about the earlier streets. I don't normally play mid suited connectors from MP1 on an average table, but this table was pretty laggy. It had a good chance of being raised preflop by just about anyone (and thus any two cards), and I was pretty certain of seeing the flop with at least four or five others even if it was raised. I know who the rocks and other tighties are, so I know if the raise comes from them, I need to tread carefully.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (17.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

[rmarotti]

River value bet is tasty. If the guy's a true LAG you can 3-bet his already counterfeited 5,6 two pair. I think a call is fine though.

[rmarotti]

2 cold? I'd say you're just about toast. Anyone else think differently? 1:10 enough to justify a fishy cold-call?