SnG hand quiz

[hansarnic]

Some interesting (I think) PF decisions I’ve faced recently. All at Party $50s.

I tend to multi-table so rare for me to get good reads. What do ppl think is the right move in each case?


Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.


Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.


Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.


Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.


Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.


Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.


Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.


Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.


Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.

[codewarrior]

Based on (esentialy) no reads?

1 fold
2 push
3 fold
4 fold or call & ck/fold the flop
5 fold
6 I lean more towards folding here, but maybe call &ck/fold the flop
7 call
8 fold
9 fold
10 fold

Do I win? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(edit: I answered these in about 10 seconds each to simulate multitabling conditions)

[jojobinks]

am i weak/tight?

1. fold
2. push
3-5. fold
6. fold or push. i guess fold, with no read.
7. fold
8. fold
9. call
10. fold

these mostly look like situations that seem better than they actually are imo.

[El Maximo]

Without and reads and having no experience at the 50s here are my answers:

1. Fold
2. ?? - In a later position I push. Not sure what I would do with so many to act after me. Im leaning towards folding.
3. Fold
4. Fold
5. Fold
6. Fold
7. Your behind a loose raiser here. But its close. I fold and pick a better spot.
8. Fold
9. Fold
10. Fold preflop and fold to raise

That 10 folds for me.

[MikeyEdge]

1. Fold. Have to fold this to raise and you'll be out of position the rest of the way. UTG may move all-in behind you.

2. Limp. I think I limp here and try to see a cheap flop. If some raises for LP then I move all-in.

3. Fold. You are way behind here. If you get a good hand in the SB move all-in. If not you have a full orbit to try to get 500 in to double up.

4. Call. Tough decision here, but I think I call and see what the flop brings and if the raisers bets out or not.

5. Raise. I would make it something like 600 to go.

6. Call. Try to flop that set. I don't think I'd be willing to push here.

7. Fold. If he is typically unaggresive I fold this and put him on an Ace. I'd wait for a better spot to get all of your chips in.

8. All-In. You have a lot of options here, but since this quiz is so long I feel like gambling. Move all-in.

9. Fold. He has at least an A-Q here and you still have plenty of chips left if you fold.

10. Call. See what the flop brings. If you can catch here you may bust a player or two. I certainly wouldn't push all-in.

[Madd]

I don't play the 50s yet, so take my answers with a grain of salt.

1) Fold
2) Push
3-5) Fold
6-7) Call
8) Push (?)
9-10) Fold

How did I do?

[assron]

1. fold

2. fold, too many players left to be pushing 88 from UTG+1, you'll find a better opportunity

3. ouch... tough fold, I might call if I think I have no chance to win without the chips on the table, but I'd probably see if I couldnt get a better hand in the next orbit to 2x up on since nobody's gonna fold.

4. Fold

5. Push, Push, in the Bush.

6. Fold, I hate 22-55, and it's really hard to get a read on a flop if you call. Push if you really like gambling, but I wouldnt.

7. QJs is probably a much more playable hand than the one he's pushing at you, but you're a dog to any Ax/Kx/pair and you gotta think that's what he's shoving in your face. He easily could have AQ/KQ/AJ/KJ in which case you're in a world of hurt. Then again, you can end it right then and there, and have a hand that gets the job done fairly often. I'd make this call about 40% of the time, all dependent on the opponent and whether I felt I could school him if I missed the KO.

8. ouch. tough fold. hate that. Sucks worse too b/c you might be up in the hand, but do you really want a JJ vs AK/AQ flip at this point?

9. I'd call... if you lose, you still have 700 chips, which doesnt at all hurt your folding equity on pushes. You can easily make back all these chips in steals. If you win, however, you're six handed with a stack that will let you control the table.

10. I'd call every time. With that many callers, you're most likely even money with the field to win the hand, but the difference is that if you hit your hand, you're almost certain to be paid off huge, whereas if they hit their hands, you're not paying them a cent.

[Awesemo]

1. call
2. push
3. fold
4. fold
5. unless the blinds are tricky i'd raise to 500
6. push
7. call
8. fold
9. i think this might be a pot odds justified call, it's close between calling and folding.
10. i wouldn't limp in the first place.

[hansarnic]

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Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


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Wow, you all fold this? Pls explain why, as i think this is a call:

1. UTG is about to get blinded down to 200. He could have virtually anything.

2. CO will therefore play a lot of hands here. Pairs lower than 9s and AK/Q/J I think.

3. If I beat both I am the big stack and very well placed as we are bubbling.

4. Losing to UTG but beating CO is obviously no problem.

5. Losing to CO is bad, but I still have a playable stack.

So worth the gamble I think, but clearly you all disagree /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[junkmail3]

Hand 1: push
Hand 2: push
Hand 3: fold
Hand 4: fold
Hand 5: raise to $600-$700
Hand 6: fold
Hand 7: call
Hand 8: push
Hand 9: fold
Hand 10: fold

[junkmail3]

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1 fold



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Why don't you like to push here? Wouldn't you think something like: 500 push is desperate, 1200 push is isolation with big cards? You have a reasonable chance of eliminating two players and going up big. Otherwise, you have a stack that can steal a few blinds, and still contend (though not as strongly) You're starting to get into dangerous territory already with the $2300 stack.

I don't play the $50s and am just looking for more insight.

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5 fold


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This seems pretty weak to me. Good chance to steal, reasonable hand if you get called. Fold if reraised, check/fold if you miss. I think it's a great spot where the blinds may not want to risk a battle with UTG so close to going out.

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8 fold


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I said push, but .. thinking more, probably should fold. And probably would.



I ask you because i think I've seen you post around here a lot, but I can't remember. I would take advice from anyone of course.

[CountDuckula]

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Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


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Wow, you all fold this? Pls explain why, as i think this is a call:

1. UTG is about to get blinded down to 200. He could have virtually anything.

2. CO will therefore play a lot of hands here. Pairs lower than 9s and AK/Q/J I think.

3. If I beat both I am the big stack and very well placed as we are bubbling.

4. Losing to UTG but beating CO is obviously no problem.

5. Losing to CO is bad, but I still have a playable stack.

So worth the gamble I think, but clearly you all disagree /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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FWIW, I was thinking along those lines myself, and was surprised to see so many people advocate folding. Unless I misread this badly, Hero is last to act with just the 2 all-ins in the pot, and having both of them covered with about T1100 to spare. It seems to me that both of them are liable to be a bit desperate (UTG more than CO, but CO in a position where he knows he has UTG covered and thinks maybe he can chase BB out) and willing to play lots of hands. Hero has the opportunity to bust out two players with a fairly decent hand, and even if worst comes to worst, is still in the game with enough chips for at least a couple more orbits.

But, I don't consider myself an expert, so I'd appreciate enlightenment from more advanced players. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Mike

[SuitedSixes]

I fold all but #7.

[TomCollins]

Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.

>>Fold. You are sitting pretty. You are a big dog too often, and a moderate dog a lot. If you are against unmatching overcards, you are just below even equity. I prefer to preserve chips than take 0EV chances.

Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.

>>Push, you are out of position against a lot of players and likely have the best hand. You don't mind gambling against overcards. If someone has a bigger pair, oh well.

Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.

>>Fold. I've come back from the dead, but rarely with 84s. But I'm likely pushing the next hand.

Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.
>> Call, see a flop. You have position. I base my action entirely on what happens on the flop. Folding is not terrible here either.

Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.
>>Min-raise, fold to reraise.

Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.
>>This is where I get myself in trouble, but I push. I want to use this as a possible -EV move that will be +EV since he'll be less likely to raise my blind in the future. That, or more likely to trap me.

Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.
>>Fold. I hate calling all-ins, especially from someone who does fold their SB. Id rather push with 27o than call with QJs.

Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.
>>Fold. You are likely behind or even. Why risk it yet?

Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.
>>Very tough decision, probably the toughest one yet. If I was unsuited, I'd fold. But here, I think this borderlines a call. Far too often, players will do this with much weaker hands than AJs.

Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.
>> Implied odds suck, fold.

[schwza]

my shot at it... (F = fold, P = push)

1 F
2 P
3 F
4 P
5 F
6 F
7 F
8 P
9 call
10 F

and some comments...

1 F you're hoping to play something like an underpair and two overcards, and you're not even getting that much of an overlay there. too much chance i'm against a big pair.

2 P good chance to pick up T250 without seeing a flop.

3 F you still have a little folding equity if you fold

4 P folding equity or likely coinflip. 32 AK/AQ combos and 24 AA-JJ combos. 99/88 not impossible.

5 F first instinct was to raise 500, fold to push. changed my mind.

6 F

7 F QJs is barely 60% vs a random hand.

8 P 16 BB's, JJ is gold.

9 call. lot of people left, so they must be short. if you win this hand, you can steal recklessly. need to call 625 to win 1900 total, so 1/3 is chip-neutral.

10 easy fold. if you had 22, call.

all great questions - thanks!

[adanthar]

1)Fold (but it's close and I call tens here)
2)I sometimes push and sometimes limp with the intention of pushing to a raise, usually push
3)Fold
4)Opponent dependent, I could do any of push/CC/fold depending (lean towards folding; if I had 1K, CC)
5)Fold unless the blinds are tight
6)Opponent dependent, I could either CC or push
7)Call but it's close
8)If button is loose, I push, if not I fold
9)Fold
10)Fold

[Unarmed]

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1)Fold (but it's close and I call tens here)
2)I sometimes push and sometimes limp with the intention of pushing to a raise, usually push
3)Fold
4)Opponent dependent, I could do any of push/CC/fold depending (lean towards folding; if I had 1K, CC)
5)Fold unless the blinds are tight
6)Opponent dependent, I could either CC or push
7)Call but it's close
8)If button is loose, I push, if not I fold
9)Fold
10)Fold

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All identical for me except #6. I push/fold his, what is your line if you CC here? Are you just hoping SB doesn't fire another round on the flop?

Thanks.

[adanthar]

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All identical for me except #6. I push/fold his, what is your line if you CC here? Are you just hoping SB doesn't fire another round on the flop?

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If I think the minraise is a monster or that he's not folding PF, he's giving me the implied odds for a set, anyway. Plus there's always the occasional 245 or 456 flop that he has to have missed.

[partygirluk]

1. This is really quite close. UTG could have anything, so CO does not have to have that much. I could go either way on this one, but call.

2. Push.

3. fold

4. This is close. His 5 BB bet does not look like JJ-AA. I don't know enough about the $50s, I probably fold but it is damn close.

5. Fold. Make the stack 1100 and I push.

6. Push.

7. Call

8. Ugh. Nasty. Close, but fold.

9. Fold. AQs I call.

10. Easiest hand by far. Fold.

[spentrent]

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Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


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Fold. That 2300 (11xBB) is your ticket to the next level and 2 to 3 more busted players.

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Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.


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Fold. Too many players left to die with 88.

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Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.


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Fold. Getting 2 to 1 pre-flop ain't bad at all against ONE random hand, but in this case you're probably crushed by TWO better-than-random hands.

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Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.


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Fold. You probably don't have a read on this guy, so at the very best you're slightly ahead in a very close race. However if you know the villain and you know that he widens the gap very early, then you might steal a pot with a push here.

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Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.


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Push. Easy steal with the small stack about to be blinded.

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Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.


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Depends. Generally I'd push here but I like to take advantage of that instinct in other players if I am holding a monster (TT or better at this point). Since there are three other players in the same boat as you, it might be better to look forward to those three upcoming steal opportunities...

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Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.


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Fold. Entice him to push at the wrong time. Call with any ace.

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Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.


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Fold. At BEST you're slightly ahead in a coin-flip race.

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Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.


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Fold. I don't want to die holding AJ.

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Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.


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Call. You still have 680 if you miss the flop. If the flop hits you, you're pretty much guaranteed more chips and a spot ITM if you think you are a better player than your opponents.

[spentrent]

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10. Easiest hand by far. Fold.


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Why is this so easy to fold? You're getting about 4.5 to 1 to call and you're still left with a manageable stack if the flop misses.

Another poster said the implied odds suck here. I disagree. If you hit a straight, there could be one set who can't wait to get his chips in the middle and one overpair who feels the same way. Could you fold a set of fours if the flop came 456?

[rachelwxm]

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Without and reads and having no experience at the 50s here are my answers:

1. Fold
2. ?? - In a later position I push. Not sure what I would do with so many to act after me. Im leaning towards folding.
3. Fold
4. Fold
5. Fold
6. Fold
7. Your behind a loose raiser here. But its close. I fold and pick a better spot.
8. Fold
9. Fold
10. Fold preflop and fold to raise

That 10 folds for me.

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LOL /images/graemlins/cool.gif I don't know you are that weak tight??

[Daliman]

1. Fold
2. 70/30 Fold/push. Roll a die; if it's 1 or 2, push.
3. Call
4. Calling is OK here, but not great. Prepare to fold if A,K,or Q flops. Folding best option though, stay out of trouble early. 5x open raise often either a protecting large raise for Aq-AK or maybe 88-JJ that doesn't want to see overs.
5. Raise to 400. Fold to an allin PF, bet 300 or at almost any flop.
6. Push. There is some fold equity here, and a race is not terrible here. Stop and go as a weaker option, I think.
7. Fold. There are better spots.
8. Fold. Button has made a "Call me" raise to MP, with little concern for other's hand. Stay out of the way. You will be behind enough here for this not to be profitable.
9. Very close. I'd usually fold here, but with zero player info, at this stage, it is too forceful a raise to put him on a desperation push. 1275 for 625 plenty tempting though, and very right versus some players.
10. Fold. VEry easy.

[rachelwxm]

I am pushing 5 and 6 and fold the rest. Don't know about last one since I am not limping to start with.

I think these are good cases and want to hear other's details opinions. Some of those involved isolation/ 3 way all ins I found really interesting like 3 and 8.

[El Maximo]

Lol. Im running bad lately. I think this has influenced my decisions.

[UMTerp]

I have the same answers as Awesomeo, and I'm kinda of disheartened that I disagree with Daliman on so many.

I lot of these are very close though, and I can see the reasoning behind answering one way or the other.

I'm surprised you're calling #3 here - I don't think that's particularly close, though I could be wrong.

I thought #10 was the most clear-cut as well.

1. Call
2. Push
3. Fold
4. Fold
5. Bet ~500
6. Push
7. Call
8. Fold
9. Call and suck out
10. Fold

[CountDuckula]

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Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


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Fold. That 2300 (11xBB) is your ticket to the next level and 2 to 3 more busted players.


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But isn't that exactly what he'd be going for right here? If he wins, two players bust out, leaving only 4 at the table with BB sitting at T4000. If he loses to CO, he still has T1100, and only has to post T100 for the next blind (he's just paid the BB for this orbit), so he still has a couple of orbits to try to recover. If he beats CO but loses to BB, the chips he wins from CO and the fact that CO is gone more than compensates for losing T500 to the BB. Isn't there a good chance that 99 is the best hand PF in a short-handed situation like this?

I'm not saying the folks who say "fold" are wrong; I just don't understand the reasoning in this situation. If someone else who has both of them covered calls, I probably would fold, but since I'm last to act and can't be raised, I'd call in that scenario; figuring "no guts, no glory". If I'm wrong, I'd like to understand why. What is the minimum you'd need to try and bust out two players here, knowing that in the worst case, you're still in it with time to come back?

-Mike

[rachelwxm]

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Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


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Wow, you all fold this? Pls explain why, as i think this is a call:

1. UTG is about to get blinded down to 200. He could have virtually anything.

2. CO will therefore play a lot of hands here. Pairs lower than 9s and AK/Q/J I think.

3. If I beat both I am the big stack and very well placed as we are bubbling.

4. Losing to UTG but beating CO is obviously no problem.

5. Losing to CO is bad, but I still have a playable stack.

So worth the gamble I think, but clearly you all disagree /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Now after I think about this, I think it's probably a call. UTG could have anything like K5s, so you have him dominated. As far as CO, I put him on 66-QQ, AT+, KJ+. So it's probably a call since UTG's dead money give you enough overlay and the possibility of becoming big stack. Losing here, you still have enough FE. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[daboze]

1) fold
2) call
3) fold
4) fold
5) push
6) fold
7) call
8) push (???)
9) fold
10) fold

to me none of these seemed very close.
it'll be interesting now to read what everyone else thinks.

[hansarnic]

[ QUOTE ]
Without and reads and having no experience at the 50s here are my answers:

10. Fold preflop and fold to raise

That 10 folds for me.

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Why not limp Maximo?

[ZeeJustin]

1. fold
2. push
3. fold
4. fold
5. fold, or you can raise (but not push) if you think the blinds will rarely push you (im not sure exactly how the 50's play)
6. push
7. Fairly borderline, but I generally fold.
8. fold
9. fold
10. fold

[El Maximo]

I forget you get more chips at the 50s. I normally dont limp with suited connectors with the short stacks you get a party 10-30s.

[Jason Strasser]

1. I've made this call before, but if I have any respect for the second player making this move its a standard fold.

2. Shove

3. Muck

4. Read dependant... I think I fold to most.

5. Shove it in unless they call too much in the blinds.

6. Tough. Completely read dependant. I could raise, fold or call here. All three seem viable.

7. GAMBOOL. I call unless I can steal a ton off him... He doesnt seem like that type. Blinds are just too big IMO.

8. I fold.

9. Yuck. I think I call unless he's uber tight. Its borderline.

10. Get rid of it.

[Jason Strasser]

ZJ is 9 close?

[ericlambi]

Okay, my turn. Note that I am giving some credit for the improved play at the $55. You run into a lot better players here than the $10s and $20s, although there are still plenty of dumba$$e$ to make it worthwhile.

Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.

<font color="red">FOLD. Easy. </font>


Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.

<font color="red"> Depends on my mood and how aggressive the table is. I'm more likely to push on a really tight table. I think limping here is okay. Folding is weak, you have a good hand and no one has raised. </font>

Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.

<font color="red"> I've had good luck pushing with suited connectors on the short stack. That being said, this barely qualifies as a suited connector and you are calling someone elses push, leaving you no fold equity. I fold and hope to steal some blinds and/or double up quick. I don't fault anyone pushing here though. </font>

Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.

<font color="red"> I like folding here. That raise at a $55 usually means something. If there was even one more person in the pot, I'd like the implied odds at a set. You do have position though, so calling and taking the flop isn't too bad. </font>

Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.


<font color="red"> This is late enough in the tourney that you have a good idea how people are defending their blinds. If they are defending very liberally, I fold. If they are playing tight and are likely to fold anything but a really good hand, raise to 500 (fold reraise). Some people have mentioned min-raising here . . . min-raising just screams I'm on a steal. 500 isn't much more than 400, but it makes it about 3-4 times tougher for the blinds to call IMO. </font>

Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.

<font color="red"> Again, it's late in the tourney and I think you have to rate the likelihood that this is a pure steal. The minraise just screams that he is trying to take that pot for cheap. He would likely bet more confidently with any pocket pair. I probably push here hoping for a fold and accepting a coinflip. If this player has made some questionable decisions earlier, I probably fold as his early bad play makes my fold equity much lower.</font>

Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.

<font color="red"> When I first read this, I thought call for sure. Then I read a lot of the responses and remembered how poorly I've been doing heads up lately. Calling all-ins is tough. If you think he has even ace or king high, you are a dog here. Unless you get lucky and he has JT of QT, etc. , he is at worst a dog at 40-60. If you are a good player, you lose about 99% of your 60-40 advantage all-ins on PP, so I think folding is correct here. </font>

Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.

<font color="red"> Your read that these are "loose" players makes this a tough decision. Under normal playing conditions, I fold this thinking I am at best 50-50. If these players are maniacs, I will probably push and live with the results. </font>

Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.

<font color="red"> I can't believe there has been so much discussion about this hand. THIS is the easiest of them all: FOLD. Calling a huge raise with AJ is just a losing play, IMO. This guy has to know that he is at least 50-50 to get called, probably more, and he raised anyway. What does this say?</font>


Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.

<font color="red"> I reluctantly fold. Those implied odds if you hit sound great, but you really need those 220 chips and can find a better use for them. Don't watch the hand though, because you'll kick yourself if you would have hit. Note: I bet Gigabet would call.</font>

[The Yugoslavian]

[ QUOTE ]

Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.


[/ QUOTE ]
Fold
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.


[/ QUOTE ]
Meh, I probably push this unless UTG has been raising a lot in which case I check and then .
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.


[/ QUOTE ]
Fold
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.


[/ QUOTE ]
Fold
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.


[/ QUOTE ]
Push
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.


[/ QUOTE ]
Fold
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.


[/ QUOTE ]
Call
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.


[/ QUOTE ]
Fold
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.


[/ QUOTE ]
Call
[ QUOTE ]

Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.

[/ QUOTE ]
Fold

How'd I do? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[UMTerp]

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ is 9 close?

[/ QUOTE ]

You know it's close - you're getting 2.1-1!! I think this is one of the more player-dependent ones on the list...

[UMTerp]

FWIW, I think #6 is one of the more clear-cut ones on here (all are pretty good questions). I'm surprised so many of you are advocating folding here. Why? You guys think that it's that likely that he calls and you're dominated? From my experience, that minraise can be any two cards. He's folding way more often than not, and when he calls, it's more likely a race (slightly in your favor) than a dominating hand.

[microbet]

Hand 1
Blinds 100/200 6 left.
UTG (500) pushes, then CO pushes (1200).
You have 99 in the BB and about 2300 after posting.

fold

Hand 2
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.

push

Hand 3
Blinds 100/200 5 left
Button pushes for 525 (he has been blinding away till now).
Three other equal big stacks. SB pushes.
You are BB with 600 after posting and 84s.

yikes - call

Hand 4
Blinds 15/30 10 left
UTG+1 (1000) opens for 150.
Folded to you (800) with TT on the button.

fold

Hand 5
Blinds 100/200 4 left
You have about 2000, UTG is about 1400, Blinds cover you.
Folded to you on button with A3o.

bet 400 - fold to a reraise allin

Hand 6
Blinds 100/200 5 left.
Folded to SB (3000ish) who min-raises you. 3 other stacks about equal with you.
You have 1500 after posting and 33 in BB.

flip a coin - I mean push

Hand 7
Blinds 250/500 Heads up
SB has 3400 left after posting, has folded his SB a couple of times but other than that has played typically aggressive heads-up. He pushes.
You have QJs.

flip a coin - I mean fold

Hand 8
Blinds 25/50 8 left
Loose MP makes it 150 (2000ish), button (about same) re-raises to 500.
You are in BB with JJ and 800.

fold

Hand 9
Blinds 50/100 7 left.
You open from CO with AJs for 275 (1400 left after raising).
SB pushes for about 900, BB folds.

call - that's what I get for playing AJs

Hand 10
10 left, blinds 15/30.
4 limpers to you on button with 87s. You call.
SB completes, BB makes it 250.
Three callers to you. You have 900, 220 to call into 1000 pot, all opponents on roughly 1000.

flip a coin - I mean fold

[UMTerp]

Another comment - on #9, if the BB has a stack of 1000 or less, I'm pushing from the get-go rather than making the 275 bet, simply to avoid situations like this one. I think you need a clear plan preflop before making a raise like this one. Say the BB has me covered, my typical play would be something along the lines of:

"I'm raising to 300, if the SB pushes, I'm calling, if the BB pushes, I'm folding."

Also, if you were planning on folding to a SB reraise (which IMO is weak given the chip counts), I think an initial raise to 200 or 250 is better so you don't price yourself into the hand so much.

The main point is being, you shouldn't make this decision when it arises, you should make it before the inital raise.

[microbet]

Are you going to post the responses so they can all be seen together? If not, I will.

[hansarnic]

[ QUOTE ]
Are you going to post the responses so they can all be seen together? If not, I will.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good plan, will do shortly.

[burningyen]

2. Why bother introducing a random element here? Is 77 a clear fold and 99 a clear push?

3. How do you calculate your $EV here? I can see how you are getting marginally good pot odds against many of the hands you are up against. But aren't you better off giving the button a chance to bust out before you? How do you weigh a +chipEV situation vs. the risk of busting out?

[ericlambi]

Your advice relating to having a plan before making the bet is good. I still think this is a super-easy fold because of the chances of being dominated. Not only that, regardless of the odds -- folding still leaves the hero with a good chip position. Calling and losing puts him under par and he is fighting an uphill battle with 7 players left. SB is not shortstacked relative to the blinds, and just made it through -- he is not pushing with crap here.

[Unarmed]

[ QUOTE ]
FWIW, I think #6 is one of the more clear-cut ones on here (all are pretty good questions). I'm surprised so many of you are advocating folding here. Why? You guys think that it's that likely that he calls and you're dominated? From my experience, that minraise can be any two cards. He's folding way more often than not, and when he calls, it's more likely a race (slightly in your favor) than a dominating hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe I have this right:

You push this and 3 things happen: (forget 22)
1) He folds
2) He calls and you're racing
3) He calls and you're dominated

If you assume 2) is 3x as likely to happen as 3) then he only has to fold this 56% of the time for pushing to be correct strictly from an EV perspective.

Then again, I got 30 mins sleep last night and I can barely think straight. Its a 2 minute excel exercise if anyone wants to verify.

[ZeeJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ is 9 close?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, it's close. Against very aggressive players I will call. The biggest problem here is that when you lose, you are crippled.

[rachelwxm]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Are you going to post the responses so they can all be seen together? If not, I will.

[/ QUOTE ]

Good plan, will do shortly.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would just add on that keep posting new quiz as you see it. And I think it helps alot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[burningyen]

(P.S. Otherwise I agree with all of Daliman's answers.)

[caretaker1]

My $.02:

1. Fold. You've still got plenty of chips and you're a coin flip, at best, with the CO.
2. Close between call and fold. A lot would depend on how the table is playing. If there are a lot of pre-flop raises, I let this go. Too many players left to act to push.
3. Fold. You're behind and still have a round to try to double through.
4. Tough question, but I'd be apt to fold (not getting enough implied odds for set value) and again at best a coin flip to a push.
5. Raise 450-600. Fold against resistance unless the flop hits hard.
6. Close, but fold. Set value may be there, but an extra 200 chips seems too valuable at this point.
7. Fold. You're behind almost any reasonable raising hand, pick a better spot
8. Fold. Again, wait for a better spot; you're no better than a coin flip against the button.
9. Easy call I think. Figure: 1275 chips in for 625 to call. At better than 2 to 1, the only hands you fear are AA, AK, and AQ. Even if he has KK you're just about getting odds to call. There are too many times where he'll have TT or lower or AJ or lower (or occasionally worse) to not call. Although admittedly this may be different at the $50 level. Also, even if you lose, you'll still have over 800 chips to play with. If you win, you'll be in commanding chip position.
10. Fold. I get the implied odds idea, but I'm waiting for a better hand than 87s to get 1/4 of my stack in early.

I'll take my F now.

[stillnotking]

[ QUOTE ]
1. fold
2. push
3. fold
4. fold
5. fold, or you can raise (but not push) if you think the blinds will rarely push you (im not sure exactly how the 50's play)
6. push
7. Fairly borderline, but I generally fold.
8. fold
9. fold
10. fold

[/ QUOTE ]

Is #10 a horrible call? I would most likely see the flop in that spot and get away from the hand if I did not flop trips, two pair, a straight, a flush, or a straight/flush draw.

[The Yugoslavian]

[ QUOTE ]

Is #10 a horrible call? I would most likely see the flop in that spot and get away from the hand if I did not flop trips, two pair, a straight, a flush, or a straight/flush draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, your draws won't be all that great b/c the BB most likely will jam on the flop and you won't be getting great odds to call. And you're not going to flop 2 pair, trips, made flush, made straight very often. 220 chips is just too many chips to be calling here -- at any Party level it's a *very* significant portion of your stack to be bleeding away with a junk hand.

Yugoslav

[DrPhysic]

Hand 1
With no read I have to assume UTG has a good hand, CO says he has a better hand. No question fold.

Hand 2
Very tempting. But too many people behind. It’s purely a push or fold. But I fold with prob 2 orbits left to find a better hand and better position.

Hand 3
Fold

Hand 4
Limp. Fold to anything but a trip if high cards on the flop. Push to a low rainbow flop.

Hand 5
Steal Raise to 600. Pray for a flop if you are called.

Hand 6
Push

Hand 7
Fold

Hand 8
Push

Hand 9
Fold.

Hand 10
No answer. I wouldn’t have called with 87s to begin with.

Excellent post. We need more posts that make us think.

Now I have to read all the other responses to see how badly I played them.

Doc

[patrick dicaprio]

1. muck unless the CO is a bad player.

2. push

3. fold

4. push

5. raise to 450 if this is enough to get players to fold. on paradise this will often be the case.

6. stop and go--just call and push on the flop.

7. we need to know how many chips we have!! i probably fold here unless i have double his chips (figuratively speaking).

8. if the button is a typical loose player here push, but if he is not then give it a seconds thought but probably still push and grit my teeth.

9. easy call

10. tough spot but probably fold. no guarantee that if i make the flush it will be good.

Pat

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
ZJ is 9 close?

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting that most of you guys fold this. I think I am a tighter player than most but would call here. I am absolutely positive that I will be calling as the best hand here a non insignificant amount of the time and with 2/1 on my call I feel covered for the times I'm dominated. I bet that most guys would push any ace or hands like KQ/KJ against you here, and you have a very profitable call against TT down.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]

Yeah, it's close. Against very aggressive players I will call. The biggest problem here is that when you lose, you are crippled.

[/ QUOTE ]

Gotta say I think that is very wrong. If you lose this hand you have 775 with 50/100 blinds, that is not even close to crippled.

[UMTerp]

[ QUOTE ]
If you lose this hand you have 775 with 50/100 blinds, that is not even close to crippled.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed. I know if I'm the one pushing from the SB, it's a good call at 2:1 against me. And it's not close.

[ZeeJustin]

[ QUOTE ]
Gotta say I think that is very wrong. If you lose this hand you have 775 with 50/100 blinds, that is not even close to crippled.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh [censored]. I misread it as 1400 before raising. I now think this is a call. Sorry.

[Pil Sung Do]

Hand 1-- Fold

Hand 2--Limp behind, flop a set /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hand 3--SB won't call without a hand, fold

Hand 4--I'm torn here. It would depend on my read (which you say you have none). If I think I can outplay him or he's aggressive, I'll call and see a flop. If he's subpar, I'll reraise to 300. If he's good, I'll fold and wait for another time. I'd lean more towards the flop call though.

Hand 5--Reraise 600.

Hand 6--Call and flop a set. I don't like pushing here because you're either way behind or in a coin flip.

Hand 7--I'd call.

Hand 8--Allin or fold, depending on your read of the button.

Hand 9--Tough decision here. For me, it depends on if I think I can use a fold to set a trap later. Or if I've been raising a lot of his blinds, I'd call just because he might have gotten fed up and it going to defend this time.

Hand 10--I've only invested 30 chips, I'm gonna let them fight it out on this one and see who if the BB is raising w/junk or not.

[codewarrior]

(1) Looks like a three way coin flip to me for half my stack, essentially. I can very easily be behind here. CO didn't push? I'd call that all-in in a heartbeat.

(5) I make it a habit to routinely fold small off-suit aces on the bubble as well as earlier in the game. Here I have 10BB left. Flat call is weak. Raising and having to fold is weak. I don't want to push here. I'm not getting involved. Many will disagree with me on this. I'm still experimenting with small Ace play.

(8) It's a toss up between push and fold, I agree. The reraise really screams that the button waqnts to isolate. This is a tough one. Push or fold.

Yes, I post here once in awhile. I'm one of the annoying 2+2 weekly Sit-n-Go pimps. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[DrPhysic]

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
SNG Hand Quiz Answers: Tallied votes of all posters.

Fold Call Raise Push
Hand
1 25 3 0 1
2 8 3 0 18
3 28 2 0 0
4 24 5 0 1
5 11 0 11 6
6 12 3 0 14
7 16 12 0 0
8 20 0 0 7
9 18 11 0 0
10 24 3 0 0

Totals 186 42 11 47

Total Votes 286
Avg Raise Hand 5: $T511

VP$IP = 35.0%
PFR= 20.3%
TA (incl pf) 1.38

Notes:
1. Row totals will not check. Not everybody voted on every hand.
2. If you said 70/30 F/P, I counted it as F.
3. If you did not vote or said 50/50, I did not count it.
4. Stats are just for fun. 10 hands is not a sample.
5. Interesting hands are prob more playable than 2 randoms.
6. Counted as of 2 PM EST Saturday.
</pre><hr />

Great post, hansarnic. When do we do it again?

Doc /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[microbet]

Here is a table of everyone's response up to this point. Not that you can't see all this easily enough on the board, but this might make it easier to go one question at a time.

I'm sure there are some mistakes, so let me know if I got something wrong. If I saw that someone changed an answer I noted it, but I didn't read all of the discussion so I could easily have missed some.

I'll do something to make it more readable when I get the chance. Being a computer geek, I'm also thinking of writing a little web app to make these quizes easy to create, answer and analyze.

sng quiz result table (http://www.relinix.com/sngquizresults.html)

[codewarrior]

Dork.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[DrPhysic]

Dufus.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

edit: Actually I'm not a dork, I'm a geek.

I looked at your answers vs mine:

You don't steal and don't defend your blinds even when you have the cards. See hands 5, 6, and 8. You don't even LIKE other people's chips!

Doc

[codewarrior]

It's all a part of my master plan. I would taunt you some more, but I'm exhausted, and I have to save my strength for another poor performance at the 1:00 game today... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[DrPhysic]

codewarrior,

Actually, I think you have shown great creativity and persistence in finding a new and unique way to go out either first or on the bubble 10 weeks in a row.

In fact:

I HAVE A $10 BOUNTY FOR THE PERSON THAT PUTS CODE OUT EITHER FIRST OR ON THE BUBBLE!

Doc /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Crosspost to Sunday Game Post

[rachelwxm]

Doc, thank you and microbet for the summary.
Still don't see how most of people think 2 is a push 7 handed. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[codewarrior]

and that ain't good poker! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Hand 2:
Blinds 50/100 7 left
UTG (2000) limps (has done it before without a monster).
You are UTG+1 with 88 and 800 left.


Say you limp and play the hand for set value. You miss - you fold. There goes 100 of your 800 remaining chips. Next you are UTG, then after that you lose a minimum of 150 to the blinds. Now you're down to 550.

Why would you fold this preflop? You wouldn't. You aren't waiting to Aces here.

Any raise, therefore, should be all-in for your remaining 8BB. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif