So Much For Tilt Helping the Poker Boom

[Greg Zabawa]

Who the hell is gonna want to start playing after that? They'll all be scared crapless. Man, that was just terrible.

[cwsiggy]

I'm not sue if I want to hit the Borgata for my birthday and first B&M cash game later this month. Every one might be working with teams and the management might "wipe" the tapes.

[PrayingMantis]

Please help someone who lives far away and can't watch this "tilt". What exactly did they show that will not help the poker boom?

[krazyace5]

Basically showed that the casino was crooked and the pros are cheaters.

[twistedbeats]

i know, i kind of wanted to scan the credits for russ georgiev's name.

[zaxx19]

Did anyone else fond the portrayal of the "black" poker games a little offensive...Im neither an African American or particularly liberal but it seemed pretty naked. For those of you who were lucky enough not to see the show there was a entire cardroom in the back of a strip club which only catered to black males(smart guys that way you dont spend the $$ on 21 but rather lap dances)...the first scene that greeted the viewer in this room was of 2 black guys barking at each other and pulling guns out over a string bet....

[gk2400]

This Show is Horrible!!! What do you expect from ESPN was my first reaction but this made the Pete Rose movie look good. I mean why in the hell would you make a show all about cheating. They have the rights to WSOP. Its like they want to slit there own throats. Fake fights that acomplish nothing, CEO & a Pro cheating together come on. The floor man questioning a player if he's able to play in a big game. Stereotyping certain races come on. This show sucks. The sad thing is I'll probable watch it next week.

-Gene

[andyfox]

Yeah, the white scumbags were clever, but the black scumbags were not, so they used guns. Way to go, ESPN.

The show was an embarrassment. Absolutely nothing redeeming in it.

[shaniac]

I didn't have to figure out that Teddy KGB wasn't lurking in a dark corner of every NYC card club before I felt comfortable playing in one.

I supsect most halfway-intelligent people with an interest in poker will realize that Tilt is nothing more than a lame Tarrantino-ripoff with no soul or veracity and figure out that poker is readily played in a non-corrupt environment.

A show that portrayed the real pain of poker (psychological pitfalls, bankroll swings) in an honest way could have succeeded artistically.

Of course cheating and collusion are part of the game, but to present it as the focal point of a life of cards is just absurd.

Shane

[Russ McGinley]

Just watched the show. It was not good. The acting was slightly better than I had anticipated but the writing was abysmal. The writers reused one of Worm's lines (Miami repeats Worm's line to Mike after being pulled out of the Chesterfield game), which I thought was sloppy.

The portrayal of big game players being cheats and working with the casino is not good. People who know little to nothing about poker will not realize this is not accurate. How many people thought Playmakers was basically the NFL? All players use/abuse drugs, slap their wives around, etc. ESPN took Playmakers off the air because the NFL felt that the general consensus was that this is what the NFL is. I don't see how poker pros aren't going to see this and think that they will be grouped in together as cheats working for the casino.

[MMMMMM]

I'm glad I asked a friend to tape it. I liked Pulp Fiction.

[ihardlyknowher]

Don't get your hopes up if you liked Pulp Fiction. I loved Pulp Fiction because it showed that gangsters have "real-life" conversations like talking about what they call a Big Mac in France. Tilt, however, is more along the lines of a bad movie where all the dialouge is cheesey phony sh*t that makes you want to puke.

[Nagoo81]

To compare this show to Tarantino's work is such the biggest slap in the face to him and his movies. Just sayin'.

On another note, boy I can't wait get my hands on the tv rip of this episode. Hilarious avatars are coming.


YA LEFT ME WIDE OPEN! *points*

[BarronVangorToth]

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The writers reused one of Worm's lines (Miami repeats Worm's line to Mike after being pulled out of the Chesterfield game), which I thought was sloppy.


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I took it as genius, not only as an homage to Rounders (the product that started all of the poker craze in the first place) but also as a way of saying, Look, everyone in card rooms quotes Rounders, so we're going to show that too.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[rmarotti]

I didn't see it (no cable /images/graemlins/frown.gif ) which line?

[Daliman]

Funny, I was thinking that the NFL overreacted somewhat with their objection to Playmakers, but now, after seeing Tilt, I can see why they'd be upset. Doubtless almost all of these shenanigans HAVE happened in a cardroom somewhere, but they make it seem like this is all poker is about. Total joke.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be watching again tho.... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[tek]

[ QUOTE ]
I took it as genius, not only as an homage to Rounders (the product that started all of the poker craze in the first place) but also as a way of saying, Look, everyone in card rooms quotes Rounders, so we're going to show that too.

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Exactly. Similar to having the guys in the movie "Boiler Room" watch and quote the movie "Wall Street"...

"Art" imitating "Art"...

[TimTimSalabim]

I've come to the only conclusion possible. That ESPN is trying to destroy poker. I think they're jealous of the fact that their coverage of WSOP sucks and that even VVP puts their announcers to shame.

[BarronVangorToth]

If Boiler Room were made today you'd know he'd be running a poker game in his basement vs. a blackjack game...

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com (http://www.BarronVangorToth.com)

[jedi]

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I supsect most halfway-intelligent people with an interest in poker will realize that Tilt is nothing more than a lame Tarrantino-ripoff with no soul or veracity and figure out that poker is readily played in a non-corrupt environment.


[/ QUOTE ]

I want non-intelligent people playing poker with me, not halfway-intelligent ones. If this show scares away the dumbasses, then that ruins it for all of us.

[Russ McGinley]

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Exactly. Similar to having the guys in the movie "Boiler Room" watch and quote the movie "Wall Street"...

"Art" imitating "Art"...

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Meh, that was a little different. The guys in Boiler Room (great movie) were actually sitting there watching the movie and reciting the lines. The line in Tilt was reused by the writers and had no part of the scene had anything to do with Rounders. If the writers wanted to make homages to Rounders they could have actually done it (and they may yet do so). This just seemed like lazy writing to me, but I'm sure that won't be the last time that happens.

[River2Pair]

What was the line? I haven't seen Rounders over 50 times yet.

[andyfox]

Pulp Fiction was Citizen Kane compared to this. I liked Pulp Fiction too.

[MMMMMM]

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Pulp Fiction was Citizen Kane compared to this. I liked Pulp Fiction too.

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Should I see Citizen Kane?

[lastchance]

Yeah. Great black and white movie. Lots of cool stuff, and I found it really interesting.

[knifeandfork]

the acting was better than i thought, the message of the first episode was terrible.the idea that poker is a game where you will lose your ass to sharps is not appealing to those just starting out or thinking about starting to play. anyone think that TJ and negreanu in the same scene ws kind of funny considering their respective reputations, and the cehating theme? as far as the general public goes it may be entertaining but is most probably a step backwards/in the wrong direction for promoting the game to new players boooooooooooooooo. i hope the show redeems itself.
jason