ATs early position

[Joe B.]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[davelin]

Why the limp re-raise? Fold that flop. Fold that turn.

[shadow29]

Raise pf in the first place, call a 3-bet, fold the flop.

[John White]

SSHE says this is a hand on the bubble. Limp in a tight game, raise in a loose one.

What was the thinking behind the 3-bet?

What would you have done if a T /images/graemlins/heart.gif came on the Turn?

You were getting just over 10:1 on your river call. What were the outs which justified the call?

[Joe B.]

actually i was in middle position..

i counted wrong when i play dumb mistake..

for preflop i had ATs according to SSH tight chart for middle position i should of raise preflop, but if there a reraise i should of folded the preflop?

would that of been ok too?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

raise preflop (not limp-reraise it)

fold the flop. fold the turn. fold the river.

[Joe B.]

i should raise on preflop instead of limp call and then reraise

but when they reraise according to ssh tight chart i should of folded it says.

or do i call? not really clear on this play

thanks

[PoBoy321]

I haven't read SSHE, but AT, suited or not, isn't a hand I really like, especially not from early position. I would probably raise it pre-flop, but fold to a reraise. No one's raising with a hand that doesn't have you dominated. I MIGHT call the flop bet since the pot is already so big, but i'm folding the turn unimproved. Either way, I feel this hand was misplayed on all streets.

[shadow29]

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I haven't read SSHE... I would probably raise it pre-flop, but fold to a reraise.

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This is terrible thinking. Do yourself a favor and buy SSHE. Almost every time you raise, and then fold to a 3-bet you are playing sub-optimally

[Joe B.]

but accoding to SSH that i have and reading

it says for middle position on tight chart which i was, that i suppose to raise at preflop and if someone reraise it, i suppose to fold

i know i didnt do that, but realize now after reading SSH tight starting chart...

am i right?
thanks

[shadow29]

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that i suppose to raise at preflop and if someone reraise it, i suppose to fold

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NOOO!! If you raise, and someone 3-bets it is almost never correct to fold for one more bet. DON'T DO IT!

[Joe B.]

thanks , that were i get confuse when i reread SSH and it says the opposite

thanks for that tip