Play along with JJ

[Marquis]

Villain is VPIP-35%, PFR-4%, AF-1.1 in less than 50 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

[jskills]

Raise and fold to a reraise.

[jrz1972]

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Raise and fold to a reraise.

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Raise, yes, but folding to a reraise is terrible.

[droolie]

Raise and call. No fold. You have outs to hit the boat.

[jskills]

Why so? Couldn't you be up against a flush already?

[_bustedflush_]

Raise and call a reraise. You'll still have seven outs to the boat and position.

[jrz1972]

Whenever you have a set, you will practically always have the right odds to draw to your full house. You certainly do here.

[Marquis]

Raise and call a reraise with the boat outs. I like it.

Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

[wuwei]

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Why so? Couldn't you be up against a flush already?

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Possibly, but you have 7 outs to beat a flush on the turn and 10 outs on the river. Folding is not an option.

[_bustedflush_]

technically...6 to the boat; 1 to quads

[wuwei]

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Raise and call a reraise with the boat outs. I like it.

Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

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Hero bets.

[jskills]

Point taken. I stand corrected.

Do you call another bet on the turn too?

[droolie]

Bet/ call. It's HU and he checked to you. A bet might win this pot here.

[jrz1972]

I'm betting this. UTG could have been betting the flop with a pair of aces. If he had a baby flush, a turn bet might get him to fold it now that he fears a bigger flush.

If I get check-raised, I will call and spike a 4 on the river.

[Marquis]

A bet might win this pot here. I like it.

Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero says, "What the %$&amp;@?" and ???

[jrz1972]

Yes. This is an elementary pot odds issue.

On the turn, you have 10 outs to a full house or better, and when you hit, you will get paid off. Villians at this level frequently are completely undeterred by a paired board.

[jskills]

So you're in for the duration no matter. I got it.

Thanks.

[jrz1972]

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A bet might win this pot here. I like it.

Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero says, "What the %$&amp;@?" and ???

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Weird action by UTG. Why wouldn't he raise the turn if he had the flush?

Easy call for one bet on the river.

[droolie]

I fold and kick the dog. This would be one hell of a bluff by villian here. You have shown absolutely no fear of the /images/graemlins/club.gif's on the board and he bets into you here? If he bet this and doesn't have the K/images/graemlins/club.gif he deserves the money. (folding is easier said than done though)

[meep_42]

I jam the flop.
Check through the turn -- nothing you beat is calling here, nothing can outdraw you at this point. Take the free card and call on the river.

-d

[Marquis]

Easy call for one bet on the river. I like it, but I made what I now think is a mistake and folded. His weird play threw me for a loop. When I was making the decision, I thought, "there's no way he's betting into a board like this without a club." When I replayed the hand in my head over and over, I hated folding. Did villain have A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif?

What do you think villain has to play it this way?

[droolie]

I have him on Kxs/images/graemlins/club.gif. The reason he called the turn was to make sure the river didn't pair the board. Once he knew he had the nuts he fired away again. Unless he's a mouthbreathing moron he does not bet this river unless he has a /images/graemlins/club.gif.

[Marquis]

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I have him on Kxs/images/graemlins/club.gif. The reason he called the turn was to make sure the river didn't pair the board. Once he knew he had the nuts he fired away again. Unless he's a mouthbreathing moron he does not bet this river unless he has a /images/graemlins/club.gif.

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I thought about that, but that would mean he puts me on exactly AA or JJ. That would make him a mouthbreathing moron, for sure.

[droolie]

That's not true. If he has the nut flush he may not have even considered what you have. He's just playing his cards.

[btspider]

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I have him on Kxs/images/graemlins/club.gif. The reason he called the turn was to make sure the river didn't pair the board. Once he knew he had the nuts he fired away again. Unless he's a mouthbreathing moron he does not bet this river unless he has a /images/graemlins/club.gif.

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villian would put hero on A-broadway before AA or JJ. and the nut flush puts in far more bets than this. even the most passive player could check-raise that turn.

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flop raise cleans up baby clubs in case the flop bettor doesn't have one. bet the turn, he may fold. river sucks. call with no read and get one.