Odds...

[mike66]

If I have a inside straight draw coming. I have then four outs/46 cards=1:11. The odds must be lower if there are before turn than before river? After flop I two chances to complete but after turn I only have one chance to complete the straight? Regards/Mike

[Aaron W.]

Could you repost that question more clearly, please?

[droolie]

Gutshots are 10:5 (give or take a point or two) I'm not sure what you're asking but if you have a gutshot on the flop all you have to consider is your odds for hitting on the turn because you won't be hanging around for the river very often. On the flop the odds are 43:4 or 10.5 to 1. If you have a gutshot on the turn the odds are 42:4 or 10.5 to 1. Therefore if there are 10 or more bets in the pot you can usually call profitably considering implied odds if you hit. You shouldn't combine the odds for both streets like you would with a flush draw.

[__Q__]

The problem with computing the odds as if there were two cards to come is that, if you miss on the first card, your probably going to have to call a bet to get a second card. So you have to take this into account before you get involved in the first place.

But actually, your odds of hitting your 4 outer on the next card are slightly higher on the river then they were on the turn.

[tiltaholic]

hi

this table is a little more clearer in ms-excel and hopefully will be useful to you, but the odds do change depending on the street. the tbale shows how the odds change across the combinations of turn and river cards. however, as other posters have mentioned, generally imediate odds are only concerned with one street at a time.
-t

Chances of making a hand on the turn, river, turn or river (t|r),
turn and river (t&r):
turn turn | river river | t|r t|r | t&r t&r
Outs (%) (X:1) | (%) (X:1) | (%) (X:1) | (%) (X:1)
----------------------|----------------|----------------|--------------
20 42.6 1.35 | 43.5 1.30 | 67.5 0.48 | 17.6 4.69
19 40.4 1.47 | 41.3 1.42 | 65.0 0.54 | 15.8 5.32
18 38.3 1.61 | 39.1 1.56 | 62.4 0.60 | 14.2 6.07
17 36.2 1.76 | 37.0 1.71 | 59.8 0.67 | 12.6 6.95
16 34.0 1.94 | 34.8 1.88 | 57.0 0.75 | 11.1 8.01
15 31.9 2.13 | 32.6 2.07 | 54.1 0.85 | 9.7 9.30
14 29.8 2.36 | 30.4 2.29 | 51.2 0.95 | 8.4 10.88
13 27.7 2.62 | 28.3 2.54 | 48.1 1.08 | 7.2 12.86
12 25.5 2.92 | 26.1 2.83 | 45.0 1.22 | 6.1 15.38
11 23.4 3.27 | 23.9 3.18 | 41.7 1.40 | 5.1 18.65
10 21.3 3.70 | 21.7 3.60 | 38.4 1.60 | 4.2 23.02
9 19.1 4.22 | 19.6 4.11 | 35.0 1.86 | 3.3 29.03
8 17.0 4.88 | 17.4 4.75 | 31.5 2.18 | 2.6 37.61
7 14.9 5.71 | 15.2 5.57 | 27.8 2.59 | 1.9 50.48
6 12.8 6.83 | 13.0 6.67 | 24.1 3.14 | 1.4 71.07
5 10.6 8.40 | 10.9 8.20 | 20.4 3.91 | 0.9 107.10
4 8.5 10.75 | 8.7 10.50 | 16.5 5.07 | 0.6 179.17
3 6.4 14.67 | 6.5 14.33 | 12.5 7.01 | 0.3 359.33
2 4.3 22.50 | 4.3 22.00 | 8.4 10.88 | 0.1 1080.00
1 2.1 46.00 | 2.2 45.00 | 4.3 22.50 | 0.0 NA