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MyssGuy

01-13-2005, 10:44 AM

Here's the situation.....

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

I raise after 3 limpers, including UTG, who promptly re-raises. The call/re-raise screams of AA, but I call at this point. (Good move?) However, I do have a read on this guy as being a gambler (LA-P), so he may be just building a pot.

Flop: (16 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero....

The bet by the BB is curious. He's a TA player. UTG's raise now worries me, but I've got TPTK. Whats my best action????

Thoughts:
BB is a TA player who leads into the pre-flop raiser and re-raiser. UTG raises it up. I think at minimum he's got AK. Best case, we all have AK? Can I get away from this hand in a huge pot or am I wimping out and should be raising? Do I go into call-down mode?

PokerBob

01-13-2005, 10:53 AM

I think I 3-bet to see how much BB likes his hand. Plus, you have position and may get them to slow down by 3-betting.

MyssGuy

01-13-2005, 12:35 PM

Follow-Up....

I simply call, worried about the other two players. Weak move and I gain nothing. BB, raises and BB caps.

Now what do I do? The pot is so big, do I call down? I believe I'm going to be caught in the middle of two larger hands. Can I fold?

joesbarngrill

01-13-2005, 12:46 PM

I disagree you have to 3 bet to get a better read on your opponents, Tthe turn may be cheap because you have advantage of position.

Fat Nicky

01-13-2005, 12:50 PM

You need to either fold or 3-bet this flop. Calling is the worst of the 3 options.

rmarotti

01-13-2005, 01:17 PM

Yup.

PokerBob

01-13-2005, 01:24 PM

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Calling is the worst of the 3 options.

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Gospel.

MyssGuy

01-13-2005, 01:30 PM

Agreed....still learning. To continue, it gets capped on the turn. I call down the river and end up with 3rd best....

steaknshake925

01-13-2005, 01:36 PM

I also like 3betting the flop.
If it got capped on the turn then it must've been two bets to you? I think it's safe to fold the turn for two bets, in my experience TPTK is usually not good in that situation.

axioma

01-13-2005, 01:36 PM

fold or 3 bet for sure here, with 3 betting being more of a default action.

BB could have a 4 flush, i sometimes bet in this situation.

axioma

01-13-2005, 01:37 PM

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Agreed....still learning. To continue, it gets capped on the turn. I call down the river and end up with 3rd best....

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calling 2 bets cold on the turn would be a mistake.

chief444

01-13-2005, 01:48 PM

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The call/re-raise screams of AA, but I call at this point. (Good move?)

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You mean as opposed to capping?

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However, I do have a read on this guy as being a gambler

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Then cap preflop.

I 3-bet this flop for sure.

Jonny

01-13-2005, 01:51 PM

BB had KQ?
Villian had AA?

MyssGuy

01-13-2005, 01:56 PM

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BB had KQ?
Villian had AA?

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BINGO!

EDIT: The FLOP was capped (busy day, bad memory...). The turn was bet and called around. River the same.