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sameoldsht
01-13-2005, 12:25 AM
According to The New York Times, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, reflecting on her party's recent losses in the presidential, Senate and House elections, asked: "How did a party that is filled with people with values -- and I am a person with values -- get tagged as the party without values?"

As one who was raised a Democrat and became a Republican only 10 years ago, I would like to answer Gov. Napolitano's question as honestly as she posed it.

Gov. Napolitano, your party does indeed have very many people with values in it. But the Democratic Party is no more representative of the average Democrat's values than the National Council of Churches is of the average Protestant's values. Both are far to the left of their membership.

Here is the Democratic Party as most Americans, including this John F. Kennedy liberal -- a New York City born and raised, Jewish, Ivy League-educated intellectual who lives in Los Angeles -- see it.

To most Americans, Michael Moore is a Marxist who has utter contempt for most of his fellow Americans, who goes abroad and tells huge audiences how stupid and venal his country is, and in his dishonest propaganda film, portrays the American military as callous buffoons. Yet, this radical was given the most honored seat at the Democratic Party convention in Boston, next to former President Jimmy Carter.

To most Americans, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are race-baiting demagogues. Yet they are heroes to the Democratic Party. Most Americans do not see their country as the bigoted and racist nation regularly depicted by both black and white Democratic leaders.

To most Americans, a man who wears women's clothing to work is a pathetic person in need of psychotherapy. To the Democratic Party, he is a man whose cross-dressing is merely another expression of multiculturalism. The California legislature, which is entirely controlled by Democrats, passed a law prohibiting any employer from firing a man who shows up to work wearing women's clothing.

To most Americans, Eminem is a vulgar nihilist who poisons young Americans' minds. To John Kerry he was a man whose anti-Bush hate video was worthy of endorsement.

To most Americans, obscenity-filled evenings should be restricted to R-rated films or a Las Vegas comedy act, not a major party's fund raiser attended by its candidates for president of the United States. To Democrats, those who object to such evenings are regarded as judgmental, hypocritical and narrow minded.

To most Americans, Hollywood stars are regarded as terrific to watch in films but also as narcissistic ingrates when, between private jet trips to Cuba and Cannes, they express their contempt for traditional America. That the Democrats have a veritable monopoly on support from folks like Sean Penn and Robert "Castro-is-a-great-leader" Redford may give Democrats a heady feeling, but for tens of millions of Americans it merely reinforces their belief that the Democratic Party shares Hollywood's values. Even The New York Times, in a post-election analysis, wrote of "the possibility that activist entertainers' fervent endorsements might have cost Mr. Kerry the election."

To most Americans, the American military is not only heroic; it is regarded as more important to safeguarding freedom than any other human institution, including the ACLU, the United Nations or the university, to cite three major Democratic Party affiliates. To virtually the entire Left, which includes the Democratic Party, the military is, at best, a necessary evil. Otherwise, the overriding doctrine is "Make love, not war." That is why Harvard still refuses to allow ROTC training -- and it is unlikely that either of the Massachusetts senators even finds that wrong, let alone as reprehensible as most Americans do.

To most Americans, gays are fellow Americans who happen to be homosexual and who should be accorded the same respect any fellow American is accorded. But most Americans also believe that America should retain the millennia-old definition of marriage as man-woman. They regard liberal judges who take it upon themselves to redefine marriage with contempt. And these judges are identified with the Democrats.

Whatever their views on abortion and abortion rights, the vast majority of Americans view the abortion of a viable fetus/baby (partial-birth abortion) as immoral. The Democratic candidate and his fellow Democrats repeatedly voted against a ban on this practice.

Gov. Napolitano, I hope that this short list answers your question about how it is that your party has gotten tagged as "the party without values." Indeed, the real question, as this observer sees it, is how has this party retained so many people who have traditional American values?

Source (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20041109.shtml)

Cpt Spaulding
01-13-2005, 04:55 PM
You left out the most important thing....
Most Americans don't care what you think. You are free to your opinion, but don't be so arrogant to think that most Americans agree with you...Hate to burst your bubble but most don't....

bholdr
01-13-2005, 10:00 PM
The fact that you don't have any ideas of your own worth posting doesn't entitle you to waste our time with your pointless reproduction of conservative propagandas. at least you are no longer blatantly plagerizing, thanks for the link to the website for brainwashed republican apologists.

don't you get tired of reading things that aren't meant to inform, educate, or debate you, but to reinforce the stupid opinions you already have?

you are the very worst poster in this forum, IMO, and there are some world-class troglodytes here.

cpk
01-13-2005, 10:23 PM
To most Americans, Eminem is a vulgar nihilist who poisons young Americans' minds. To John Kerry he was a man whose anti-Bush hate video was worthy of endorsement.

Yeah, boy, shake that ass
Whoops, I mean girl
Girl girl girl

chabibi
01-13-2005, 10:40 PM
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don't be so arrogant to think that most Americans agree with you...Hate to burst your bubble but most don't....

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The latest opinion poll showed that they do
link (http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/index.html)

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 01:35 AM
Oh...I didn't realize a poll was taken.... That must mean most Americans agree.

So, if 1000 carefully selected individuals are polled do you really think that is an accurate number? You really shouldn't use a poll as your basis for an arguement. Not very effective.

lastchance
01-14-2005, 02:46 AM
You know, the opinion most Americans (old people) form of pop culture is really lousy. They focus on the stuff on the worst of it, and try to cast every piece of music in that shadow.

And some of the music coming out, unlike the late 90's, is actually GOOD.

"Hailie's Song", "Stacey's Mom", "Fallin", "Numb", give those a listen. Some of my personal favorites to come out lately.

LomU
01-14-2005, 03:48 AM
does the republican party give you rake rebate when you sign up for their talking points?

guller
01-14-2005, 10:12 AM
I would say that the whole US was polled in November and yes, most of them do agree.

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 11:14 AM
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I would say that the whole US was polled in November and yes, most of them do agree.

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True, most of the ones that voted. However, you are forgetting the 18 and under crowd and all the people that didn't vote. To add another twist to your hypothosis, I don't agree with most of what was listed above....I voted for Bush..... I am sure there are many more like me as well. I applaud the value system mentioned before. If that is your groove by all means work it.... I personally choose to walk a different path, and that is the wonderful part of living in a somewhat free country. The hard part is tolerating others differences. We need to work on that.

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 11:18 AM
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You know, the opinion most Americans (old people) form of pop culture is really lousy. They focus on the stuff on the worst of it, and try to cast every piece of music in that shadow.

And some of the music coming out, unlike the late 90's, is actually GOOD.

"Hailie's Song", "Stacey's Mom", "Fallin", "Numb", give those a listen. Some of my personal favorites to come out lately.

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You have got to be kidding me...This has to be one of the worst decades of music since the 1840's. There are a few good groups still around, but thanks to MTV the music scene in this country has gone to hell...

Wake up CALL
01-14-2005, 06:20 PM
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Oh...I didn't realize a poll was taken.... That must mean most Americans agree.

So, if 1000 carefully selected individuals are polled do you really think that is an accurate number? You really shouldn't use a poll as your basis for an arguement. Not very effective.

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So his poll has less value than your gut feeling? Hard to fathom.

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 06:37 PM
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Oh...I didn't realize a poll was taken.... That must mean most Americans agree.

So, if 1000 carefully selected individuals are polled do you really think that is an accurate number? You really shouldn't use a poll as your basis for an arguement. Not very effective.

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So his poll has less value than your gut feeling? Hard to fathom.

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Not a gut feeling... I can see what is going on in the country. Granted there are millions of folks that agree with everything listed, I don't think it is the majority though. They are using the election as an argument, however they forget that 4 short years ago this same president lost the popular vote. Anyway, this whole majority issue is pointless...A majority only applies in a true democracy, we are not a democracy. This means that people have to live with others that hold different values than theirs. I wish someday we grow up and learn how to do that.....

lastchance
01-14-2005, 09:32 PM
The decade isn't over yet. Just getting away from pop = +EV. And MTV isn't everything.

lastchance
01-14-2005, 09:37 PM
It's still early in the decade. The late 90's with all it's pop was definitely lousier than right now. Just getting away from that makes it better. And rap isn't the only thing out right now. MTV isn't everything in pop culture right now.

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 10:06 PM
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The decade isn't over yet. Just getting away from pop = +EV. And MTV isn't everything.

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I know MTV isn't everything, but you can't deny it's evil influence on the scene. By the way when I said the decade I meant the last 10 years, fake R&B and bubble gum punk was on the menu for the most part.

Cpt Spaulding
01-14-2005, 10:12 PM
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It's still early in the decade. The late 90's with all it's pop was definitely lousier than right now. Just getting away from that makes it better. And rap isn't the only thing out right now. MTV isn't everything in pop culture right now.

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You know it isn't the genre that is the problem...It is the lack of talent that bugs me. If they have a certain look then they cut an album. It seems that the less talented the more popular they are. Seems like corporate america has pretty much taken over.

bholdr
01-14-2005, 11:41 PM
Let the sheep have their garbage. There always has been terrible popular music and always will be. i do dislike the public's appearant disdain for TALENT, though. but what do i know? all of the music i listen to was made by long dead dreamers for whom the world was not yet ready (imo).
The best modern music can be found in local bars and obscure festivals, at raves and on streetcorners... but not on MTV.

do you remember the simpson's chalkboard gag where bart writes "I no longer want my MTV" i think that just about says it all.

but...
have you listened much to Franz Ferdinand?
as far as semi-mainstream modern rock goes, they are my favroite new band in a long, long time.

and there's always punk rock.

Bigdaddydvo
01-15-2005, 11:30 AM
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You have got to be kidding me...This has to be one of the worst decades of music since the 1840's. There are a few good groups still around, but thanks to MTV the music scene in this country has gone to hell...

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Given that in this decade Ashlee Simpson and Lindsay Lohan can get recording contracts, I couldn't agree more.