Most painful hand ever

[jacks321]

I'm going broke on this hand, right?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1170)
CO (t3643)
Button (t4030)
SB (t1669)
BB <font color="#A500AF">(Villian)</font> (t14819)
UTG (t1485)
UTG+1 (t2800)
Hero (t2940)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t150, Hero calls t150, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB <font color="#A500AF">(Villian)</font> checks.

Flop: (t600) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
The converter screwed up here. But it was checked to me. I bet 1k, 1 fold, Villian raises to 2900, 1 fold, I call putting me all in

Turn: (t6180) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>

River: (t6180) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>

Final Pot: t600

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Villian has Ts Qd (four of a kind, queens).
Hero has 2h 2c (full house, queens full of twos).
Outcome: Villian wins t6180. </font>

[obeythekitten]

you obviously cant blame the guy for calling you given that he had over 5x your stack and flopped trips with the ten kicker...but yeah i'd be pissed

what was the buyin?

[obeythekitten]

if it makes you feel any better, i lost $40 last night in a heads up game when i made my Ace-high straight on the river (holding AK suited) and moved all-in, only to get called by my opponent holding 25 suited to make a 2-6 straight flush

[DrPhysic]

You and I both go broke on that hand every time!

What can he possibly have on the flop when it's your call of the all-in? A duck, a queen, an odd pair. The odds of his having the duck/Queen hand at this point (I think I'm right here) are 2/1326; too small to worry about. You hope he has any one of the three hands above at that point.

I'll take the odds on the end that he has the case queen or any 8 every time, too. 4 outs = 10.2/1 against him beating you. (Plus the odds of his holding the duck/queen hand which is now 1/1326)

I'll play it just like you did EVERY TIME. Play it 11 times, you win 10 of them.

Doc

[Myst]

Would you go all in with pocket aces preflop?

Well guess what. Your hand was worth more than that!

[jacks321]

It was just a $20 buy-in. And with a Q10, as the chipleader, I'm doing the same as him every time. It just sucks to go out on a hand like that.

[jacks321]

Yup, I agree that there's not really any way to avoid going broke on this hand. I've just never seen anything like that, my jaw hit the floor when that queen came. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[berk]

Man, that truly sucks, I think tournament or cash game I'm losing all my chips or all the money I have at the table on that hand.

On a side note, the most painful hand i've ever seen was in the WPT Championships final of season 1 with Kirill Gerisimov against Allan Geirih:
Allan holds K /images/graemlins/club.gifK /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Kirill holds A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
flop comes 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/club.gif
turn 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
river 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[mikeshoe]

[ QUOTE ]
if it makes you feel any better, i lost $40 last night in a heads up game when i made my Ace-high straight on the river (holding AK suited) and moved all-in, only to get called by my opponent holding 25 suited to make a 2-6 straight flush

[/ QUOTE ]Wow! That actually happened to me in a similar way last night on the 2/4 pp bb jackpot. I had the ace high flush, but he was holding 4 7 diamonds for the 3-7 straight flush....

[DrPhysic]

FWIW, I am surprised that you have not gotten any flak for not going all in instead of the 1K bet on the flop. I think you were right and Allin would be wrong. As follows:

After the flop he has one way to be holding a duck, two ways to be holding a Q, and 66 ways to be holding another pair. (6 ways to hold AA, and 11 pairs not counting 2 &amp; Q). We assume that if he is holding anything else he folds.

Now, what is he thinking after your bet? He thinks you have 6 ways to hold 22, one way to hold a Q, and the same 66 ways to hold another pair. He probably thinks you hold another pair. If he holds the Q or a pair larger than 2s he thinks he has the advantage. He calls or raises.

If you push, he is now more suspicious that you have trip ducks or a BIG pair, therefore he is likely to fold the smaller pairs that he could be holding. Say 77 and down, which is 36 of his 69 possible hands. More than half the time, he could fold.

Since you want all his money on the table here, the 1K bet which invites a call or raise, is better than a push.

Doc

edit: If you KNOW you are playing against a very good player, the same bet which apparently begs a call or bluff, can occaisionally be used as a bluff. If he thinks at the third level, what does my opponent think I'm thinking? He may fold to the invite if he holds a good but not killer hand. This is a different play than the one you had, but uses the same bet. In this case, you are trying to get him to fold. (recommendation: don't try this very often, and never at the $10 or $20 level.)

D

[jacks321]

Yup, I wanted a call from a queen there. I was afraid if I pushed instantly I would fold a queen with a weak kicker or a smaller pair. So, my play worked, just had poor results.

[ansky451]

whats the big deal, he had 3 outs? and if i recall correctly Gerih was slow playing him, and could have bet him out earlier

[bigmac366]

maybe this will make you feel better....first hand of a 300 person tourney last night i get dealt A /images/graemlins/heart.gifA /images/graemlins/diamond.gif in mp1 and raise to 80 chips. sb calls and bb reraises to 175. i reraise to 450, sb calls and bb calls. in hind sight i shouldve just pushed. flop comes AK4. sb checks bb bets 250, i push. sb calls(wtf)? and so does bb. bb flips over q t offsuit and sb has j t offsuit. they both went all in on gutshots!! i wouldnt be posting this if one of them didnt suck out on me. i couldnt even walk right for about an hour and a half after that hand /images/graemlins/shocked.gif j/k. but i feel your pain.

[PuckNPoker]

At this home tourney I was at, one guy busted with 3 players left because he had the "sucker end" of a straight flush.

[freewillig]

how about this one? Hero has AA and bets 3 1/2 times the blinds. BB, who is big stack calls. Flop comes A37. Hero pushes with 5 times the pot size. BB calls with 46o and hits straight.

[bigmac366]

equally brutal.

[JaBlue]

Going into the river he had 7 outs. 7/44 ~ 1/6 so he'll draw out on you about 1/6th of the time. If this is your most painful hand, you haven't experienced poker pain yet.

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]
pokenum -h 2h 2c - qd ts -- qc qs 2d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Qs Qc 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2h 763 77.07 227 22.93 0 0.00 0.771
Ts Qd 227 22.93 763 77.07 0 0.00 0.229


[/ QUOTE ]
BFD.

[Potowame]

Yeah it sux, but it happens.

its the one outers that are heart breaking. Until you bust out with a 96.5% chance to win on the turn, you havent felt pain. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jacks321]

Yeah, it wasn't the fact that I lost. I've busted out with bigger edges. It was just that queen showing up that really blew me away.

[JaBlue]

So you wouldn't have posted if it wasn't an eight on the river? Damnit.

[DVO]

Well, not just a Q beats you, so does a T or 8. So Villain had 7 outs, as has been noted. I feel your pain, really, but it's not really different from someone hitting a bookends straight draw on the river. it just feels worse because you flopped a boat &amp; expect to win.

[DrPhysic]

JaBlue is right. I can't count outs today. 3 8s, 3 Ts, 1 Q = 7. I missed the Ts. 5.5/1 odds. I'll still take the bet all day long.

Doc