may George Bush drink the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq

[TylerD]

Can't wait to see how this latest Ali G sketch goes down. (http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke%5C16655.html)

With credit to FARK for the link.

[Shajen]

not funny

[slavic]

Those NC boys must have more restraint than were I grew up.

I agree not funny.

[LALDAAS]

I CANT STAND ALI G!!!

[jakethebake]

They should've let the crowd have him.

[Shajen]

Nah, not the crowd, that cat in your avatar.

That's one bad furball. I'm fascinated. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Lazymeatball]

I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[jakethebake]

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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]
But anyone stupid enough to do this in the middle of redneck central is too stupid to live.

[TylerD]

Wow, tough crowd. Sounds like you guys should have been there, you would have given him the exact reaction he desired.

[xadrez]

I LIIIIIKE!

[Lazymeatball]

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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]
But anyone stupid enough to do this in the middle of redneck central is too stupid to live.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's not funny if he does this in Ann Arbor, Michigan or Amherst Mass. You have to do it in the heart of the Bible Belt for it to be really funny.What are the lyrics to that great Borat song "Throw the Jew down the Well"

[Shajen]

[ QUOTE ]
I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[Wayfare]

She is a'boring...it's like having sex with my seester!

Why is singing the anthem wrong so offensive? It's just a song. Nationalism really makes me sick.

I love ali-g as much as I dislike nationalist drones.

[xadrez]

SEXY TIME!

[PoBoy321]

[ QUOTE ]
She is a'boring...it's like having sex with my seester!

[/ QUOTE ]

But... but your sister, she come third in country for best sex in mouth.

[jakethebake]

Yea. He was funny for about a minute and a half...well maybe not quite that long. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[xadrez]

There was minimal outrage when "Throw the Jew Down the Well" was sung...which advocates physically harming people...

Yet, when Ali G mangles the Star Spangled Banner, all of a sudden its scandalous? Um...

[ThaSaltCracka]

Not funny.
I would have kicked his fuc[/b]king ass too.

[ilya]

love it

[ilya]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, what a dumb belief to have.

[jakethebake]

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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, what a dumb belief to have.

[/ QUOTE ]
Troll.

[Sponger15SB]

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Not funny.
I would have kicked his fuc[/b]king ass too.

[/ QUOTE ]

Were you one of those people who became instantly patriotic right after 9/11, or were you always this much of an ass and couldn't take a joke about your own country?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Were you one of those people who became instantly patriotic right after 9/11, or were you always this much of an ass and couldn't take a joke about your own country?

[/ QUOTE ] I have always been patriotic, but thats because I have always grown up with parents that love America and constantly reminded me of what they had gone through and what their parents had gone through.

I don't get this whole gen-x bullshit about not respecting you country. If you find it funny when someone purposely butchers the national anthem, then you truely have no appreciation for what it represents, nor do you have any appreciation for those Americans that have sacrificed their lives for our country. I am not surprised this is coming from you, the guy who thinks that all that the firefighters and Police officers on 9/11 did was die.

[ilya]

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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, what a dumb belief to have.

[/ QUOTE ]
Troll.

[/ QUOTE ]

Frost giant.

[Shajen]

[ QUOTE ]
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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, what a dumb belief to have.

[/ QUOTE ]
Troll.

[/ QUOTE ]

Frost giant.

[/ QUOTE ]

Check this out man, maybe it'll give you a little perspective on me:

Every generation in my family (including me) going back to my great grandfather has served in the armed forces. I take pride in this, and in the National Anthem. It bothers me when someone does this intentionally just to get laughs. Ali G is a tool. However, I respect your right to think I'm wrong. It pissed me off when Roseanne butchered it as well. As for whoever that was farther up in the thread trying to start the anti-jewish thing, I have no idea what they are referring to, must have been before my time on here, but I don't find that funny either.

[jakethebake]

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\Were you one of those people who became instantly patriotic right after 9/11, or were you always this much of an ass and couldn't take a joke about your own country?

[/ QUOTE ]
I'd say anyone that equates patriotism with being an ass is... well...an ass.

[ThaSaltCracka]

for those people who find it funny, do you also find it funny when someone burns the American flag? What if Ali G did it?

IMO, it is the same thing, and neither one is funny, ever.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
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\Were you one of those people who became instantly patriotic right after 9/11, or were you always this much of an ass and couldn't take a joke about your own country?

[/ QUOTE ]
I'd say anyone that equates patriotism with being an ass is... well...an ass.

[/ QUOTE ]well to much patriotism can be bad, especially when its blind patriotism.

[Gamblor]

Cause in 1992 during Game 2 of the World Series, when the US Marines held the Canadian flag upside down, the only thing I heard from my seat was the collective guffawing of 250 million people directly to the south.

Everyone thinks its funny until it happens to them. I'm the same way. So in that spirit, relax. It's a song. Ali G is fuckin' hilarious.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
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\Were you one of those people who became instantly patriotic right after 9/11, or were you always this much of an ass and couldn't take a joke about your own country?

[/ QUOTE ]
I'd say anyone that equates patriotism with being an ass is... well...an ass.

[/ QUOTE ]well to much patriotism can be bad, especially when its blind patriotism.

[/ QUOTE ]
Depends on your definition of patriotism. I don't define it as blindly following anyone, but as a deep love for my country. And I don't think that disliking some for butchering the national anthem in the name of comedy is "blind patriotism". I think regardless of patriotism, that's just trashy and classless.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Cause in 1992 during Game 2 of the World Series, when the US Marines held the Canadian flag upside down, the only thing I heard from my seat was the collective guffawing of 250 million people directly to the south.

[/ QUOTE ] I barely remember this, please elaborate. Also, aren't you Israeli anyways?

BTW, I don't find that funny either.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I agree with you on all counts.

-TSC, concerned patriot and American.

[elwoodblues]

Didn't the South Park movie have a spoof version of the Canadian National Anthem?

I just don't get why people get so worked up about things like this.

[Shajen]

[ QUOTE ]
I think regardless of patriotism, that's just trashy and classless.

[/ QUOTE ]

DING DING DING...we have a winner.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Didn't the South Park movie have a spoof version of the Canadian National Anthem?

[/ QUOTE ] No, they created a song called "Blame Canada".

And that movie is a total spoof of Canadians and Americans, which is fine IMO.

[elwoodblues]

[ QUOTE ]
for those people who find it funny, do you also find it funny when someone burns the American flag? What if Ali G did it?

IMO, it is the same thing, and neither one is funny, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

There was a Simpsons episode in the future where Homer raises the British flag then somehow it is dropped in manure, starts on fire, etc.

There was an episode of King of the Hill where one of the neighbors gets a huge flag that eventually gets descrated in various ways.

Both were very funny.

The fact that something is offensive doesn't make it unfunny. Neither does the fact that something is offensive make it per se funny.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
Cause in 1992 during Game 2 of the World Series, when the US Marines held the Canadian flag upside down, the only thing I heard from my seat was the collective guffawing of 250 million people directly to the south.

[/ QUOTE ]
If it was intentional, which I can almost guarantee it wasn't. If it were, and probably even though it wasn't, the Marine is in deep doo doo.

[ QUOTE ]
Ali G is fuckin' hilarious.

[/ QUOTE ]
His isn't. That is all.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I think there is a fine line here though. Both of those shows were made with the intention of amusing people, and I am willing to bet, the producers/creators made it thinking it wouldn't be offensive to most people. Ali G on the other hand goes to this rodeo with the intention of insulting and offending people. He does this on purpose.

I see your point that we shouldn't take everything so seriously, and believe me, I don't take a lot of things seriously, but I don't find things like this funny. One of my favorite shows, Family Guy, constantly insults people, and most of it is funny, but there have been a few times where there were things on the show that I thought were downright offensive.

[ilya]

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I am as pro-America and GW Bush foreign policy as anyone, but apart from the butchering of the National Anthem, this is pretty funny. I'm a huge fan of F'ing with people on a massive scale.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think butchering the National Anthem is a very very bad thing.

The rest I can live with. I just think disrespecting the anthem is too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, what a dumb belief to have.

[/ QUOTE ]
Troll.

[/ QUOTE ]

Frost giant.

[/ QUOTE ]

Check this out man, maybe it'll give you a little perspective on me:

Every generation in my family (including me) going back to my great grandfather has served in the armed forces. I take pride in this, and in the National Anthem. It bothers me when someone does this intentionally just to get laughs. Ali G is a tool. However, I respect your right to think I'm wrong. It pissed me off when Roseanne butchered it as well. As for whoever that was farther up in the thread trying to start the anti-jewish thing, I have no idea what they are referring to, must have been before my time on here, but I don't find that funny either.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do think it's bizarre and misguided to have respect for national symbols, particularly though not especially for American ones, but there was no need for me to make it personal. So, I am sorry that I was rude.

[Shajen]

It's all good man. I concur though, that blind patriotism is a bad thing. And since 9/11....a lot of people have blind patriotism. I don't like being lumped in with them /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
It's all good man. I concur though, that blind patriotism is a bad thing. And since 9/11....a lot of people have blind patriotism. I don't like being lumped in with them /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]most of these blind patriots have disappeared by now.

[Wayfare]

Whoops! You've been brain washed by the state!

Better sign up for the "army of one!"


More seriously, don't you all realize patriotism and nationalism are two different things?

Nationalism, or the "blind faith in the nation" (including such trite symbols as the flag and national anthem) has been created by the state in order to decieve its young men (and previous to that to keep them from rebelling when it conscripted them) in order to give their lives for whatever their leaders what?

Patriotism, the respect and reverence afforded to our institutions and ideals that further human progress, requires critical thinking. Unfortunately, most people aren't actually capable of accomplishing the prerequisite for true patriotism.

Real patriotism isn't offended by spoofing the national anthem; this type of offense is simply a knee-jerk reaction from those duped by those who hold power over them.

As a further example: the National Socialist Party of Germany taught the state before all others: individuals were meaningless when faced with the furthering of the state's goals. This is nationalism.

When there is an adversary that threatens our way of life, our freedom to make choices about ourselves, etc., then there is a real patriotic reason to get up in arms.

Ali G certainly doesn't do the latter; he simply attacks a symbol of the former. In fact, he reenforces the institutions (freedom of political speech) that so many true patriots have died for in the past.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
Whoops! You've been brain washed by the state!
Better sign up for the "army of one!"

[/ QUOTE ]
Don't even get me started on that idiotic ad campaign! Every Marine I know thought it was hysterical. The Marines are teaching teamwork, and watching your buddy's back. The Army is teaching be an army of one. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
Whoops! You've been brain washed by the state!


[/ QUOTE ]

Lisa: [gasps] They're recruiting people with subliminal messages!

[outside, a horn honks. Otto is about to board a bus for the nearest naval base. Lisa shouts out of her window]

Lisa: Otto, what are you doing?
Otto: I dunno. I just got an urge to join the Navy.
Lisa: You're being brainwashed!
Otto: Yeah, probably. Yvan eht nioj!

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Whoops! You've been brain washed by the state!

Better sign up for the "army of one!"

[/ QUOTE ] My brother is in the Army, would you like to insult me some more?

here are some simple defintions:
Nationalism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Nationalism)

Patriotism (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Patriotism)



[ QUOTE ]
When there is an adversary that threatens our way of life, our freedom to make choices about ourselves, etc., then there is a real patriotic reason to get up in arms.


[/ QUOTE ]This could be interpreted either way. If the advesary is a foreign army, then its more nationalism. However, if it is our gorvernment, then I think it can be called patriotism.

Patriotism has everything to do with loving your country and its ideals.

[ QUOTE ]

Ali G certainly doesn't do the latter; obviously he reenforces the institutions (freedom of political speech) that so many true patriots have died for in the past.

[/ QUOTE ] Indeed, everytime someone insults other people they are simply reinforcing the ideals of our founding fathers, right? Fine, but that doesn't make what they are doing any less classless.

[jakethebake]

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Better sign up for the "army of one!"

[/ QUOTE ] My brother is in the Army, would you like to insult me some more?

[/ QUOTE ]
Not a serious insult to you or him. Just inter-service rivalry. I'm sure he could make some choice comments about jarheads too. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

You should see the rivalry between Marines & the Navy. But it doesn't keep 'em from working together pretty damn good.

Army Rangers were some tough SOBs. And I think of all the U.S. services' special ops schools, theirs is possibly the toughest.

Still doesn't change the fact that the ad is asinine though. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
My brother is in the Army

[/ QUOTE ]

ah well it all makes sense now.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Not a serious insult to you or him. Just inter-service rivalry. I'm sure he could make some choice comments about jarheads too.

[/ QUOTE ] according to my brother, only military people can make fun of military people, so what you said was fine. he told me an army guy would probably kick my ass if I called him a GI. Marines are the same with Jarhead. I can't remember what it was for the navy, I think maybe [censored] /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

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My brother is in the Army

[/ QUOTE ]

ah well it all makes sense now.

[/ QUOTE ]I have two cousins in the military as well. I hope things do start to make sense for you Sponger.

[Wayfare]

I completely disagree with dictionary.com's definition of patriotism. Whoever wrote that definition should be sent back to the "Adolescent Dictionary" where they only go for first-level understanding.

Since I am being controversial, here's another definition:

prop·a·gan·da ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prp-gnd)
n.
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.

I am trying to get people to think about why they believe what they do, and why things that offend them do so. FWIW, I am very angry about our politicians systematically lying to us. I would submit to you that many of the people targeted by the army are particularly suseptible to propaganda, and that the goals of the army and our political leaders are far more cynical than those who sign up to fight for them.

I want nothing but the best for our military, one of the reasons I say things like this.

[ThaSaltCracka]

are you calling the National Anthem propaganda?

[ QUOTE ]
FWIW, I am very angry about our politicians systematically lying to us.

[/ QUOTE ] Me too. I hate the thought that one of our soldiers may have died for a lie, but that discussion does not belong here.

[hoyaboy1]

you are a huge tool. you'll grow out of this someday.

[Wayfare]

A very well reasoned argument.

Perhaps you'll grow a brain someday.

[Wayfare]

What I was saying by that is that campaigns such as "army of one" are propaganda.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
What I was saying by that is that campaigns such as "army of one" are propaganda.

[/ QUOTE ]
By definition any ad campaign is propoganda. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TylerD]

www.throwthejewdownthewell.com (http://www.throwthejewdownthewell.com) - its hiliarious, but its not anti-jewish.

[Gamblor]

I barely remember this, please elaborate.

Admit it, you're laughing (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/strangeWSmoments).

#8.

Also, aren't you Israeli anyways?

My mom is, I've spent a healthy chunk of my life there.

The other half in sunny Toronto, Ontario.

Booooorrring.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
What I was saying by that is that campaigns such as "army of one" are propaganda.

[/ QUOTE ] other than Jake pointing out that all ads are propoganda, how can you say the "army of one" ad is propoganda? I thought the whole point of the ads were to let people know that the Army is not neccesarily one giant machine, but rather a collective group of individuals working together?

[ThaSaltCracka]

okay, with ATL. I was thinking it was with Philly.
[ QUOTE ]
Admit it, you're laughing.

[/ QUOTE ] um, no, I am not.

[college_boy]

People don't have a realistic understanding of what America was actually founded on. We have an ugly, ugly history.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
People don't have a realistic understanding of what America was actually founded on. We have an ugly, ugly history.

[/ QUOTE ]
Oh, Dear God!!! Take it to the politics forum!

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
for those people who find it funny, do you also find it funny when someone burns the American flag? What if Ali G did it?

IMO, it is the same thing, and neither one is funny, ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

The flag and the anthem are symbols...nothing more. To say that a copy or rendition of a symbol is worth than what its material value is is fairly stupid, and to want to kick someones ass over it is beyond stupid. Reminds me of a Bill Hicks routine(not verbatim, but the jist;

"I hate it when people get all sanctimonius about the flag. I had a guy come up to me the other day and say 'How dare you defend people who burn the flag! My brother died for that flag!'"

"Really? I got mine for $3.95. Look, 'Made in Taiwan'"

It seems to me that most people who are fervently proflag/anthem, etc, really don't understand what it truly means.

P.S. I don;t necessarily find this funny either, but then again I don't care much for Ali G. I don't mind people who ask to be made fun of getting made fun of, but Ali G strays too far into the crank yankers/Nasty boys style of just [censored]<font color="black"></font>ing with most anyone for my taste.

[college_boy]

The flag and the anthem are symbols...nothing more. To say that a copy or rendition of a symbol is worth than what its material value is is fairly stupid, and to want to kick someones ass over it is beyond stupid.

Kicking someone's ass because you don't like what they say is everything wrong with America, and it doesn't make any sense.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
The flag and the anthem are symbols...nothing more. To say that a copy or rendition of a symbol is worth than what its material value is is fairly stupid,

[/ QUOTE ] The flag and the anthem are symbols. Symbols have meanings. To demean a symbol which has a meaning to millions of Americans is classless. To think otherwise is stupid.

Lets be honest here, this has everything to do with respect. If you don't like something that is liked or revered by millions of people, why deface/defame it?


[ QUOTE ]
P.S. I don;t necessarily find this funny either, but then again I don't care much for Ali G. I don't mind people who ask to be made fun of getting made fun of, but Ali G strays too far into the crank yankers/Nasty boys style of just [censored]ing with most anyone for my taste.

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree.

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
Lets be honest here, this has everything to do with respect. If you don't like something that is liked or revered by millions of people, why deface/defame it?


[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously, to get a reaction. Why indulge stupidity?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Lets be honest here, this has everything to do with respect. If you don't like something that is liked or revered by millions of people, why deface/defame it?


[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously, to get a reaction. Why indulge stupidity?

[/ QUOTE ]
good point.

[shant]

I find it funny because I enjoy watching people shake things up in a harmless way. You have to admit, it took some balls to go onstage in front of that crowd and say he was middle-eastern and then make remarks about Bush, Iraq, etc.

[ThaSaltCracka]

don't confuse stupidity with courage.

[shant]

Why do you assume he's stupid?

He's a successful comedian who can make people believe convincingly that he is either an English urban b-boy, a gay Austrian journalist, or an awkward Middle-Eastern tv show host, and never breaks character.

Wouldn't someone have to be somewhat intelligent to write and perform these sketches?

[wacki]

[ QUOTE ]
I have always grown up with parents that love America and constantly reminded me of what they had gone through and what their parents had gone through.

[/ QUOTE ]

Where are they from?

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
Where are they from?

[/ QUOTE ] who my parents? or my parents parents?
what?

[ThaSaltCracka]

no, he is dumb because he thinks he can do things like this and nothing will happen to him. He isn't being courageous, he is being dumb and naive.

As for his writing, I haven't seen his show, so I can't comment on any of that. I have no idea if its funny or not.

[wacki]

I'm just curious what your parents/parents parents went through to become so patriotic.

[ThaSaltCracka]

oh, well, both of my parents dads were in WWII, and I think that carried over to there family and kids. My grandmother worked in some factory or whatever that was called during WWII.

I guess its hard to explain, but I just know my parents have always had a lot of reverence for America, and I assume that came from their parents. My dad, and nearly all my uncles on both sides of the family were all in the military as well.

[The once and future king]

Not at all.

Only yanks would take offence at this. Remember the sex pistols version of God save the queen.

That got to No1.

Troll indeed. lighten up or go QLC.

[ThaSaltCracka]

that didn't bother any English people? come on?

[The once and future king]

Only ones with grey hair.

It got to No1 in the pop charts for fecks sake.

Again the choice is simple.

Lighten up on this or go QLC.

The choice is yours.

[ThaSaltCracka]

blah blah blah blah

[The once and future king]

^ Lamest response ever.

Shame your to proud to go QLC, its obviously your natural home.

Good night, will respond to your newest lamest repsonses ever tomorrow morning.

[thatpfunk]

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

This is amazing. Almost as funny as all of you getting worked up over it. Listen to Wayfare. He is actually approaching the situation with the logic and reason of a sane individual.

"Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons." -Friedrich Nietzsche

[craig r]

Bill Hicks is so funny. He called himself the Noam Chomsky of dicke jokes.

craig

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
particularly though not especially

[/ QUOTE ]

What the [censored] does this mean?

[brassnuts]

[ QUOTE ]
Almost as funny as all of you getting worked up over it.

[/ QUOTE ]

I find it funnier that some people go out of their way to defend such acts of stupidity. Let me first say that I'm not offended by this in the least. Actually, I almost find it funny, but burning a flag... butchering tha national anthem... these are all signs of disrespect, pure and simple. It's not about being brainwashed by commercial or being overly nationalistic (BTW wayfare's application of nationalism vs patriotism missed the mark by a lot). It's about having a little bit of pride of your country. You don't have to be gung-ho, "GO AMERICA!! AMERICA ROCKS!!!" to see this.

[Dr. Strangelove]

[ QUOTE ]
Whoops! You've been brain washed by the state!

Better sign up for the "army of one!"


More seriously, don't you all realize patriotism and nationalism are two different things?

Nationalism, or the "blind faith in the nation" (including such trite symbols as the flag and national anthem) has been created by the state in order to decieve its young men (and previous to that to keep them from rebelling when it conscripted them) in order to give their lives for whatever their leaders what?

Patriotism, the respect and reverence afforded to our institutions and ideals that further human progress, requires critical thinking. Unfortunately, most people aren't actually capable of accomplishing the prerequisite for true patriotism.

Real patriotism isn't offended by spoofing the national anthem; this type of offense is simply a knee-jerk reaction from those duped by those who hold power over them.

As a further example: the National Socialist Party of Germany taught the state before all others: individuals were meaningless when faced with the furthering of the state's goals. This is nationalism.

When there is an adversary that threatens our way of life, our freedom to make choices about ourselves, etc., then there is a real patriotic reason to get up in arms.

Ali G certainly doesn't do the latter; he simply attacks a symbol of the former. In fact, he reenforces the institutions (freedom of political speech) that so many true patriots have died for in the past.

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Thank god someone wrote this so I don't have to. And the performance sounds [censored] hilarious. "Even the lizards." LMAO