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StableHand

01-11-2005, 11:14 PM

I'm #2 chip-lead. 50 or so left. Obviously I'm going for the win. I had taken down a few massive pots in the last few orbits and had shown good hands. I think I could have taken at least 2/3 of MPs stack, as he flopped TPGK; which would have brought me to a chiplead by about 40% over the current chip-leader, and in a huge dominating position.

Reason I folded was of course scared of another raise from MP. So, should I have called the 12K and folded to a re-re-raise from MP? Or was the fold OK?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t4774)
MP2 (t75060)
CO (t25645)
Hero (t172827)
SB (t10185)
BB (t70043)
UTG (t38583)
UTG+1 (t24203)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t2000, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t6000, CO raises to t12000, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t6000.

Flop: (t26600) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets t13545 (All-In), MP2 calls t13545.

Turn: (t53690) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t53690) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t53690

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Qd Kc (one pair, queens).
CO has 8c 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins t53690. 

Incidentally I went out as #14 while 4th in chips. Made a sloppy move on the chipleader... That happens way too often when I get close to the top money. I lose my sharpness and splash around chips completely unnecessarily. Gotto hone that. Sorry for rambling, just felt good to get it down, and start working on it.

Cheers

SoCalPat

01-11-2005, 11:27 PM

Calling the raise represents about 7 percent of your stack. Why not? And given your stack size, it would be tough for anyone to make a move on you with anything but aces or kings. Your overcall should give everyone involved here the willies.

I'd rather call here with a medium pair rather than AQs ... a hand I can get away from quickly if I don't hit, but will drag a monster pot if I do.

zaxx19

01-11-2005, 11:37 PM

Your fold was correct...someone who has just raise with half his chips isnt gonna suddenly "not put a move on you" bc you overcall. The CO misplayed the hand horribly. His only options was to call or move or possibly muck here. A raise to half his stack is just stupidity especially with a vulnerable mid PP holding.

Oh BTW, the reason your muck was correct(and I love playing pp in raised pots personally) is Bc neither player had enough left post flop for a set to be profitable enough to make the odds work out. I cant see playing THAT hand for anything but set value there...the guy basically pushed preflop putting half his stack in.

SoCalPat

01-11-2005, 11:42 PM

[ QUOTE ]
neither player had enough left post flop for a set to be profitable enough to make the odds work out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Excellent point. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

22suited

01-11-2005, 11:48 PM

and what do you do when mp+2 comes over the top all in 75k, pray for AK and call? The post is results oriented, you made the correct play /images/graemlins/smile.gif

StableHand

01-12-2005, 12:26 AM

Under the best circumstances, I was looking to take 100K, which isn't that bad...or ? , but the size of MPs stack, which was what I would have been going for, also prevented me from calling.

BTW, just finished the rebuy-period of Stars' $20.000K guarantee. 5th in chips, 700 left. Wish me luck.

StableHand

01-12-2005, 01:28 AM

Changed the subject here a little cuz I don't wanna start a new thread:

Second break: 3rd in chippies, 308 left.

StableHand

01-12-2005, 02:23 AM

Lost a considerable amount of chippies in this hand - *shrug* - who woulda thunk?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t17670)
MP3 (t29914)
CO (t11369)
Hero (t75759)
SB (t16487)
BB (t15040)
UTG (t3877)
UTG+1 (t21480)
MP1 (t13350)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises to t2400, Hero raises to t6600, SB folds, BB raises to t10800, CO raises to t11319, Hero raises to t15519, BB calls t4190 (All-In).

Flop: (t42128) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t42128) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t42128) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t42128

Results in white below: 
BB has As Ac (three of a kind, aces).
CO has Kc Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kd Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins t34257. CO wins t7871. 

Got it back three hands later, with interest:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t17670)
MP3 (t36964)
CO (t8155)
Hero (t59269)
SB (t9737)
BB (t42699)
UTG (t6554)
UTG+1 (t20603)
MP1 (t13300)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t600, CO folds, Hero calls t600, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t2500) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets t1200, BB folds, MP3 calls t1200, Hero calls t1200.

Turn: (t6100) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 bets t1200, Hero raises to t4200, SB folds, MP3 calls t3000.

River: (t14500) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets t6800, MP3 calls t6800.

Final Pot: t28100

Results in white below: 
MP3 has Kh Jc (one pair, kings).
Hero has As Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t28100. 

Second hand on new table:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t7940)
MP3 (t20275)
CO (t17140)
Button (t36455)
Hero (t73119)
BB (t25814)
UTG (t17035)
UTG+1 (t92289)
MP1 (t16995)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t1600, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to t3200, BB folds, MP3 calls t1600.

Flop: (t6750) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t1600, MP3 calls t1600.

Turn: (t9950) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t6400, MP3 raises to t15425, Hero calls t9025.

River: (t40800) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t40800

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
MP3 has Th Kc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t40800.

StableHand

01-12-2005, 02:48 AM

3rd break:

Field is catching up, 7th in chips with 90 left.
Last hour table was a pain; 5 of top 15 gathered, and chipleader was getting monster hands.

Just moved to a softer table, phew!

StableHand

01-12-2005, 03:44 AM

Well, for anyone interested I busted in 37th due to two mistakes, and a pointless flipcoin I really din't need. Still lota work on minimizing my mistakes. I think biggest mistake I'm making is thinking I'm pot-commited when I'm really not... or perhaps it's an ego-thing...

Cheers