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Joe B.

01-11-2005, 03:22 PM

how did i do on these hands..just starting out..opinion please thanks

Hand 1
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (7 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Td (two pair, aces and kings).
CO has Th Ts (two pair, aces and tens).
Button has Js Jd (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB. 

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, BB calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 9d Qs (two pair, queens and nines).
Hero has Jh Kd (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.25 BB. 

Hand 3
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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 (poster) checks, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Button caps, SB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero folds, Button caps, SB calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Button raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Jh Kh (flush, king high).
Button has Kc Tc (straight, king high).
Outcome: SB wins 24.50 BB. 

Hand 4
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

River: (5 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 2s Jc (two pair, jacks and fours).
MP2 has Ah Qd (two pair, queens and fours).
Outcome: MP2 wins 7 BB. 

Hand 5
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (2.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (6.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ac Ts (two pair, aces and fours).
Hero has Td Ah (two pair, aces and fours).
Outcome: UTG wins 3.37 BB. Hero wins 3.37 BB. 

Hand 6
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls.

River: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below: 
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: CO wins 6 BB. 

Hand 7
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB raises, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: (8 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins 4.50 BB. 

Hand 8
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 2.25 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP3 wins 2.25 BB. 

Hand 9
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8c 8h (full house, eights full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB. 

Hand 10
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 calls $0.75 (All-In), Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (6.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has 9s Qh (one pair, eights).
Hero has Ad Td (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB. 

Hand 11
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB folds, MP1 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Tc (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB. 

Hand 12
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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc 9d (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.50 BB. 

Hand 13
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+2 doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 11 BB. 

Hand 14
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif. UTG posts a blind of $0.5.
Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, UTG (poster) checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO folds, SB raises, UTG folds, Hero folds, MP1 3-bets, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 7h Th (straight, ace high).
BB doesn't show.
MP1 has Kd 2d (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: SB wins 10.50 BB. 

Hand 15
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd 7s (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has 5h 5s (two pair, aces and jacks).
CO has Ad 9s (full house, aces full of jacks).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB. 

Hnad 16
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero (poster) raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 8h 7d (two pair, eights and sevens).
Hero has 9c 9h (one pair, nines).
Outcome: BB wins 8.25 BB. 

Hand 17
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

River: (5.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ac Kc (one pair, fives).
UTG+1 has 9d Qd (two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 7.50 BB. 

Hand 18
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 9h Jd (one pair, jacks).
MP3 has Qc 5c (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins 7.50 BB.

btspider

01-11-2005, 03:27 PM

hand 1-3: fold PF
hand 4: fold flop

that's all i looked at

wcsherry

01-11-2005, 03:32 PM

Just a few posting tips - you'll get more insightful, well thought out responses if you leave the results out and post these one hand at a time.

davelin

01-11-2005, 03:34 PM

Consider posting only a hand or two at a time, and no results -

Hand 1 - Fold pre-flop. Rest seems reasonable.
Hand 2 - Fold pre-flop. Hate the flop raise.
Hand 3 - Fold pre-flop. This seems like a pattern
Hand 4 - Fold flop
Hand 5 - Fold pre-flop.
Hand 6 - Probably fold pre-flop. Check/call turn
Hand 7 - Fold the first time. Folding after limping is usually always wrong.
Hand 8 - See above
Hand 9 - Raise pre-flop. Raise turn
Hand 10 - Fold pre-flop
Hand 11 - Looks fine
Hand 12 - Fold pre
Hand 13 - Fold pre, raise flop
Hand 14 - Probably raise pre-flop.
Hand 15 - Check/fold flop
Hand 16 - Raise flop
Hand 17 - Probably fold pre-flop
Hand 18 - Fold flop!

Whew!

wcsherry

01-11-2005, 03:35 PM

davelin you're a trooper for reading all of those hands /images/graemlins/grin.gif

davelin

01-11-2005, 03:37 PM

[ QUOTE ]
davelin you're a trooper for reading all of those hands /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Quality of advice probably went down by hand 18 /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

JDErickson

01-11-2005, 03:38 PM

Welcome to the Forum.

UGGGGGGGGG

I hate the multiple hands posts but I couldn't stop reading. I see only 3 hands out of 18 you played correctly.

1-3 Fold PF
4 - Fold the flop
5 - fold PF
6 - fold the flop
7-8 - Fold PF
9 - OK
10 - fold PF
11- OK
12-13 - Fold PF
14 - ok, you can raise 99 here also
15 - ck/fold the flop
16 - Don't post in MP3, raise the flop
17 - fold the flop
18 - fold the flop

Joe B.

01-11-2005, 03:45 PM

thanks for the tip

just curious why no result is better?

thanks

davelin

01-11-2005, 03:45 PM

[ QUOTE ]
thanks for the tip

just curious why no result is better?

thanks

[/ QUOTE ]

Because some of us can't help looking and letting the results taint our responses.

TwoShedsJackson

01-11-2005, 03:53 PM

That's a lot of hands. Don't post the results with them - it changes peoples thinking if/when they look at them - I have thus far resisted the temptation /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 1: Looks fine, had it been raised preflop it would be a different story.

Hand 2: I fold the flop, it's a small pot so you're not getting odds to draw to the gutshot and have players to act behind you.

Hand 3: Fold preflop to a 3 bet, you're out of position with a hand that's in trouble against most hands people will cap with and I would fear the cap behind if I did call a 3 bet.

Hand 4: Fold the flop, you're hoping for an Ace and the pot is miniscule. If the Ace hits, you could be outkicked.

Hand 5: Fold preflop. Once you've called, bet the flop.

Hand 6: With only one limper, I fold preflop. Fold the flop, you have a gutshot and a backdoor flush, worth about 5 outs total so you would need around 8 to 1 to call and you're getting 4 to 1.

Hand 7: Fold preflop. JTo is a terrible hand UTG, I limp this in the last 3 positions only.

Hand 8: Limping this is table dependent, but having limped in you should call when it's one bet back to you.

Hand 9: Raise the turn, he can see this card might scare you same as you may be scared by it. If he 3 bets, call, you have ten outs to a full house or quads.

Hand 10: Instinctively I want to 3 bet this because I love big suited Aces /images/graemlins/smile.gif but a fold is probably better.

Hand 11: I limp, the rest looks fine.

Hand 12: Bet the turn, you still have top pair and if you're going to call a bet after you check you may as well bet yourself and see how he reacts - if raised I might drop it.

Hand 13: QTo is awful UTG - turbofold.

Hand 14: Thats how I play it - on the turn you have basically have no hand and the pot is tiny.

Hand 15: You could maybe bluff at this flop headsup or 3 handed but with five opponents this is a check/fold for me.

Hand 16: Raise the flop - you have a vulnerable overpair and you might have been able to get Jx or Ax overcard type hands to fold if your opponent was passive.

Hand 17: You must either fold or raise the flop, calling is the worst thing here. This is another overcard and backdoor draw hand where the pot is very small. If you raise, fold the turn UI.

Hand 18: Fold the flop. You have nothing here, a backdoor straight draw, worth about an out and you have a bettor and raiser in front of you, plus two flush cards on the flop so your /images/graemlins/club.gif outs are dodgy. This is the clearest fold of the lot.

In conclusion, fold more /images/graemlins/smile.gif Now I must run gasping for water after all that typing.

Wario

01-11-2005, 04:02 PM

Woah that's a lot of hands, in the future post one per thread.

I'll take a stab although I warn you I'm still learning the game myself.

Hand 1: Fold preflop, don't open-limp in middle position. Postflop is good.

Hand 2: Fold preflop, KJo is too weak a hand to play in EP and doesn't do well in multiway pots.

This is a bad flop raise as you don't have anything except for a gutshot straight draw. I would fold the flop as you don't have sufficient odds to draw to your hand when you consider the possibility of a raise behind you. Turn and river are fine.

Hand 3: Fold preflop, AQo is usually a good hand but not after a raise and a reraise. You made postflop play very tricky by calling and it's hard to know where you stand. I would probably play it the same or there abouts.

Hand 4: Fold the flop, you have one overcard which could maybe be assigned 1.5 outs. To draw to that you need well over 15-1, you are being offered 4-1 and it might be raised behind you.

Hand 5: Fold preflop, similar to KJo fold in EP/MP it does not like mutliway pots. Flop and turn are good. I would bet the river, I'd expect to see a worse hand quite often.

Hand 6: Check/call the turn. Betting the turn in bad because you wont get them to fold very often and you don't have the best hand. What you do have however is a good draw so check and call a bet as you will be getting sufficient pot odds.

Hand 7: Fold preflop (the first time), JTo is a very marginal hand and should only be played from late position after at least a few limpers and for one bet only.

Call the preflop raise. Once you've limped in preflop it is almost always correct to call a single bet more if it is raised.

Hand 8: Raise or fold preflop. ATo doesn't do well in multiway pots and by calling you are encouraging others to call also. Because you're at a learning stage in the game I reccomend you fold ATo from any position except late, it can get you into a lot of trouble.

Once agin, when you limp in preflop call a single raise.

Hand 9: Raise preflop. Do not open-limp in middle or late position, it is nearly always raise or fold. 88 is strong enough to open-raise with in middle position or later in my opinion.

Raise the turn, you probably have the best hand here so throw in one more raise and call down if he 3-bets.

Hand 10: Fold preflop, try to cold call as little as you can. This is a bad hand to call with here as you could well be dominated by a higher Ace and there could be a raise behind you.

Fold the flop and the turn, you don't have the pot odds to draw on either street.

Hand 11: I play this the same. Nice hand.

Hand 12: Fold preflop, your have is bad and you are out of position.

3-bet the flop, you slowed down too quickly with what is probably the best hand.

Hand 13: Fold preflop, QTo is a poor hand in most situations. Only play QTo in late position after limpers and for one bet only.

Raise the flop, you're hand is probably the best and it needs protection.

Postflop you were too passive and you were too quick to give up when the King fell. On the river you were getting 11-1 closing the action I would call this with your hand.

Hand 14: I would raise preflop but limping is fine. Everything else is fine.

Hand 15: Check the flop and fold to a bet. Your hand is probably not the best here against 5 other opponents and even if it is best it's going to get outdrawn nearly all the time on the later streets.

Fold the turn and river, you have nothing and an opponent is betting into you in a small pot.

Hand 16: Raise the flop, you probably have the best hand. I would probably fold the river as it looks like you are beat.

Hand 17: Fold the flop, you don't have sufficient pot odds to draw.

Hand 18: Fold the flop, calling this flop was probably the worst mistake you made out of all the hands. You don't have anything you don't even have a draw, there is no card you can catch that would give you the best hand.

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Overall I would say you are too loose and too passive, get Small Stakes Holdem and study it. Use the preflop guideline charts in it also.

Singe hands next time... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good luck!

Joe B.

01-11-2005, 04:04 PM

thanks all so much

sorry about doing alot of hands and posting result..

Just join the forum, new to texas holdem..

in the future i post only 1 or 2 hands at a time..

thanks again...

GrunchCan

01-11-2005, 04:13 PM

Welcome to the forum.

Don't post results for 2 reasons.

First, they spoil the analysis, like davelin said. And some of us don't have our background set to white, so we see the results weather we want to or not.

Second, and more importantly, the results don't matter. In fact, results don't matter at all when considering the correctness of a standard line poker play. Considering results can only result in marginal improvement or serious damage to your play. This might come as a surprise, but it's true.

For example, in hand 3 everyone folded around to the button, who raised. This might have looked like a possible steal, but then SB re-raised.

In this spot, with your AQo, you should fold. AQo is a good hand; better than most. The button and SB might both be on a steal attempt. And if you consider the results, you clearly had the best hand PF. But this doesn't matter, and you should not get in to the habit of thinking that you will have the best hand in this spot more often than not. You won't. More often than not, you will be dominated or up against a high PP, or both. Even in this specific spot, you weren't much of a favorite; perhaps around a 5:3 favorite. If you play this hand this way 1,000,000 times, you will lose money overall.

I know I answered a question you didn't actually ask, but I think it's important. You say your'e just starting out, so I imagine you are trying to improve your play by looking at the results of the hands you do play. You can't do this, becasue it won't work.

Instead, post hands here and contribute to other people's threads. And read WLLH and SSH.

Joe B.

01-11-2005, 04:31 PM

thanks for the advice...that makes alot of sense now

i should get my order of WLLH and SSH in mail this week

this forum is very helpful and learning alot..

this game is awesome..so much strategy

i love learning

OrangeKing

01-11-2005, 04:41 PM

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thanks for the advice...that makes alot of sense now

i should get my order of WLLH and SSH in mail this week

this forum is very helpful and learning alot..

this game is awesome..so much strategy

i love learning

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You'll do well at this game. Admitting you have a lot to learn, and working to learn as much as you can is crucial. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

crockett

01-11-2005, 05:26 PM

Hi Joe,

I think your going to do just fine in this game if you keep a humble attitude.

I stopped reading at hand #12. I'm pretty sure I found an error in every hand. Some of them major money leakers.

Everyone else gave great advice so I'll try to add something different.

If your winning money it is through sheer luck, if this is a sample of your typical play then you are a poor player. That is o.k. though, your just starting out and your about to learn a lot. But don't let a profit fog your glasses, your making a lot errors.

You need to start from the very beginning.

Pre-flop. Send me a PM as a reminder tomorrow and I'll email you an excellent chart that gives you a good indication of what to play and what not to play. You can keep it near you the entire time you play. You will eventually improve to where you won't even need the chart and then eventually you'll start varying from the chart for other reasons such as opponents, previous action, game texture, etc. But for now you need to have a set of bounderies.

Read and read some more. Here and the books already mentioned.

Good luck.

GrunchCan

01-11-2005, 05:58 PM

i should get my order of WLLH and SSH in mail this week

When you do, this is what I'd suggest you do.

First, read only WLLH, and play lots of hands according to what you learn there. And I do mean lots of hands. We're talking 10,000 hands. WLLH will teach you a solid, albiet weak-tight foundation on which to build. This is a very important first step. Don't skip it or shortcut it.

Next, read SSH. SSH will teach you to be a tight-aggressive player, which in many cases is vastly different from the WLLH way. It's important to havwe the WLLH foundation before you start down this path, however. Playing the SSH way without understanding the theory behind it is playing with a fire that can burn through your entire bankroll.

Meantime, post hands.

If your'e serious, and you haven't been scared away, you'll also need www.pokertracker.com. (http://www.pokertracker.com.) It's not free, but it will pay for itself shortly after purchase, and you probably spent more on WLLH and SSH than PT costs anyway. For one thing, PT will held you keep track of the 10,000 WLLH hands you play, and takes care of all the accounting etc. You gotta have it.

Good luck!

Joe B.

01-11-2005, 10:13 PM

thanks for that advice..

what low limit level do you recommend to start at after i read WLLH?

i just got both books today in the mail....i got both books because of the free delivery at Amazon.. but at least i have SSH to read later down the road.

i start to read WLLH first now

SoCalPat

01-11-2005, 10:38 PM

In general (not saying you did this all the time, but enough to warrant saying something about it):

You jam marginal draws when you shouldn't. See Hand 2 for a perfect example of this.

If you're limp/folding as much as you are before the flop (at least twice), why not just tighten up PF and be done with it? Problem is, that when you limp with a bad hand and are raised behind you, you're almost always getting odds to call the raise. Therefore, you're compounding one bad play (limping with junk) with yet another bad play (ditching the hand when you have the odds to see the flop).

The last hand was as brutal as it gets. I have no idea what you saw in that hand to warrant calling two cold on the flop.

Hand 13 was equally bad. First, you muck this PF. Then, you've got top pair, decent kicker and you could've put the entire field in a position to make some huge mistakes. Instead, you gave everyone odds to chase with their overcard outs by calling instead of raising.

Hand 16 was played equally as poor. The PF raise was fine, but then you simply call on the flop when nothing but babies hit? What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

It's good that you took the time to post these hands, because it shows a willingness to learn. That said, you still have much to learn. You can only be losing a ton of money playing like this.

mblax10

01-12-2005, 12:04 AM

I agree 11 & 14 look good. Like others have mentioned, most of your hands I'm folding pre-flop

Hand #3-Fold pre-flop. If you do see the flop I'd rather ck-raise than bet out, the SB will fold a lot of hands in that spot.

Hand #4-Fold pre-flop. If not, definitley fold to the flop bet.

Hand #9- I raise the turn unless I know SB is a maniac. If he's going to 3 bet a flush draw out of position, I'll pay him off 2 extra bets.

GL Joe. Pay attention to your opponents tendencies. At this level you'll find a lot of players that you can clump into a few general styles of play which can sway you one way or the other on a border line decision.

On a side note, hand #1 the CO and Button had Ten's and Jacks and neither raised? I think I've been wasting my time playing Stars micros. I recently deposited at Paradise and can't believe how much more loose/passive the games are there so far. Where does Party fall in the softness of games at the micros?

Joe B.

01-12-2005, 02:00 AM

partypoker micro limit starts at .50/1

it seems loose, not an expert to really know yet...
playing there because i got free instant bankroll $75 and need to play 500 raked hands to get another $25 bucks, then i am allowed to withdrawal if i want..

then i was planning to play at pokerstars, because they have lower micro limits and might start at .05/.10 and work my way up..i think that might be a good place to start for me because i am new...

bottomset

01-12-2005, 02:31 AM

since you already need to retool your game, why even bother with learning a weak-tight game, before switching into the aggressive version

I'd suggest going down to .05/.1 and start using SSHE's chart and suggestions, you don't stand to lose too much, and i think thats better than turning weak-tight then T-A

GrunchCan

01-12-2005, 02:42 AM

You have to learn to walk before you can run. It's a good base, and playing weak-tight isn't bad. It's just not as +EV as playing TAG.

LittleLew

01-12-2005, 05:54 PM

What a great thread!
I learned more from this thread than I can say.
Thanks to all.

Lew