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Pil Sung Do
01-11-2005, 02:02 PM
I've just finished my first orbit, no reads yet.
UTG has not raised since I have been at the table.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 1.75 BB

jrz1972
01-11-2005, 02:05 PM
This is fine. You're out of position with an off-suit hand that could easily be dominated.

btspider
01-11-2005, 02:06 PM
i fold in the BB as well.

Vern
01-11-2005, 02:54 PM
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i fold in the BB as well.

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BT,

As a standard or in this case because the pot is so small? I know it is likely that an early pre-flop raiser has you dominated, but you are still getting 3.5:1 to make the call and while I don't think folding in the SB is too tight under these conditios, I think folding in the BB is. Which more than likely means I am about to learn something /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Vern

btspider
01-11-2005, 03:02 PM
with the offsuit hands, as a standard really.. unless there are many limpers. they are great hands to win little when ahead and lose alot when behind.

this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1173062&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=&amp;vc=1) contains better posts than I could come up with. Stellar's followup is a good post summarizing the different hands.

Womble
01-11-2005, 04:53 PM
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I've just finished my first orbit, no reads yet.
UTG has not raised since I have been at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 1.75 BB

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Think about what people raise with UTG. AA, AK, KK, AQ, QQ are terrible hands. The QQ not so much but you may think your ahead when a Q flops. The safer hands AJ, KQ, JJ, TT, (probably suited) lots you are drawing against except AJ.

With the face cards, you are easily dominated (Share one card but opponent has a better kicker) which leads you to lose lots of bets. Bad players over value these hands becuase they are face cards. Good to see you didnt! Good fold

Vern
01-12-2005, 09:13 AM
Yep I was right, I learned something. Thanks BT