CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!

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PokerStars Game #3918842: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2002/01/31 - 02:26:27 (EST)

Table 'Merga' Seat #1 is the button

Seat 1: nofearr ($88 in chips)

Seat 2: kdhspyder ($2759 in chips)

Seat 3: Janma ($62 in chips)

Seat 4: jackitup1 ($438 in chips)

Seat 5: bill1029 ($145 in chips)

Seat 6: seahunt ($314 in chips)

Seat 7: John_Galt ($284 in chips)

Seat 8: penne ($248 in chips)

Seat 9: cromismygod ($34 in chips)

kdhspyder: posts small blind $2

Janma: posts big blind $5

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to nofearr [Kh Kc]

jackitup1: folds

seahunt said, "I didn't complain when kdh bat my pocket K's. John G neve

complained"

bill1029: folds

seahunt: raises $5 to $10

John_Galt: raises $5 to $15

penne: folds

cromismygod: folds

nofearr: raises $5 to $20

Betting is capped

kdhspyder: folds

Janma: folds

seahunt: calls $10

John_Galt: calls $5

*** FLOP *** [Kd Js 6h]

seahunt said, "woohoo"

seahunt: checks

John_Galt: checks

nofearr: bets $5

seahunt: calls $5

John_Galt said, "i get beat so frequently that i'm numb to it"

John_Galt: calls $5

*** TURN *** [Kd Js 6h] [8s]

seahunt: checks

John_Galt said, "but every once in a while I get lucky"

John_Galt: checks

nofearr: bets $10

seahunt: calls $10

John_Galt: raises $10 to $20

nofearr: raises $10 to $30

seahunt: folds

John_Galt: calls $10

*** RIVER *** [Kd Js 6h 8s] [8d]

bill1029 said, "everybody whines a little but NEVER make it personal you don,t

know who your with"

John_Galt: checks

nofearr: bets $10

John_Galt: raises $10 to $20

nofearr: calls $10

*** SHOW DOWN ***

John_Galt: shows [8c 8h] (four of a kind, Eights)

nofearr: mucks hand

John_Galt collected $189 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $192 | Rake $3

Board [Kd Js 6h 8s 8d]

Seat 1: nofearr (button) mucked [Kh Kc] - a full house, Kings full of Eights

Seat 2: kdhspyder (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 3: Janma (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 4: jackitup1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: bill1029 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: seahunt folded on the Turn

Seat 7: John_Galt showed [8c 8h] and won ($189) with four of a kind, Eights

Seat 8: penne folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: cromismygod folded before Flop (didn't bet)


ALL I CAN SAY IS .... what an amazing player!!

He's the suckout king.


Tough beat though. I had my A high flush beat by runner runner straight flush today so i can offer true sympathy for you here.

I would have lost more money!!!!!

Here's a hand for you. I have JJ93 in the BB in O8. Flop JdJ8d. I check, only other player in the hand bets, I raise, he raises, I call. Turn K. I check, he bets, I raise, he calls. River Td. I bet, he raises, I raise ... till he puts the 6th bet on and I call.


He rivered the straight-flush. He had T977 w/ the 97 of d.


"Paradise Beat?" hardly. This happened in a live game. Bad beats occur everywhere.

What is the general rule about seeing cards that call the river bet?


I notice nofearr mucks but then you can see his cards if you request a Summary.


Is this the same in b&m casinos? If you ask to see a mucked final hand, does it have to be shown?


If Paradise shows mucked hands like this then you could check if you are playing a team where one player is raising on nothing to build the pot for his partner's good hand by asking for summaries of suspiciously played hands, couldn't you?

What is the general rule about seeing cards that call the river bet?


All hands that make it to showdown are shown in a hand history.


Is this the same in b&m casinos? If you ask to see a mucked final hand, does it have to be shown?


AFAIK, yes, but it is __generally__ (not always) considered rude to ask.


If Paradise shows mucked hands like this then you could check if you are playing a team where one player is raising on nothing to build the pot for his partner's good hand by asking for summaries of suspiciously played hands, couldn't you?


I guess, but if they were at all smart, the complicit partner with the nothing hand would not call the last bet, and thus not have his/her hand shown in the hand history.

How the hell could you not raise him at that river? guess you put him on 88...and in that case you didn't find it to be very unreal...


Gladstone