Randy Johnson will adapt to NY very well [Archive]

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 06:08 PM

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How can people root for this a-hole?

i cant wait for april. just another ingrediant in this awesome rivalry.

[/ QUOTE ]dude, I don't even think I can root for them now. This team has more players I hate than players I like.

players I hate:
AROD
RJ
Shef
Giambi
K-Brown

all douches.

namknils

01-10-2005, 06:09 PM

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How can people root for this a-hole?

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They are mesmerized by the stache.

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Don't forget the Mullet

craig r

01-10-2005, 06:10 PM

his he going to be able to keep the mustache?

craig

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01-10-2005, 06:11 PM

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How can people root for this a-hole?

i cant wait for april. just another ingrediant in this awesome rivalry.

[/ QUOTE ]dude, I don't even think I can root for them now. This team has more players I hate than players I like.

players I hate:
AROD
RJ
Shef
Giambi
K-Brown

all douches.

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You guys see what's going on here right?

TSC is setting up his ride on the Redsox or Cardinal wagon. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hack

01-10-2005, 06:14 PM

He's not an [censored] you guys.

How would you like having a camera shoved in your face? He's not used to it, since he's only pitched for small-market teams.

And he apologized. Not that he had to. The NY press are animals.

Hack

01-10-2005, 06:15 PM

Why not? Mattingly had a stache.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 06:16 PM

no, I may soon completely drop the Yankees though, this is getting absurd. Damnit George, add players I like!!!!!!!

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This RJ trade pisses me off like no other, he is such a douche bag ass hole.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 06:17 PM

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He's not an [censored] you guys.

[/ QUOTE ] no, you are wrong. He is a huge ass.

Boris

01-10-2005, 06:18 PM

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TSC is setting up his ride on the Redsox or Cardinal wagon

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Don't go there dude. Cracker is very sensitive about the bandwagon thing.

AngryCola

01-10-2005, 06:21 PM

Hack vs TSC:

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks2.jpg

Hack

01-10-2005, 06:24 PM

No, he's a very friendly guy. You haven't met him, have you?

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 06:26 PM

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TSC is setting up his ride on the Redsox or Cardinal wagon

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Don't go there dude. Cracker is very sensitive about the bandwagon thing.

[/ QUOTE ]dude, why would I start rooting for either of those two teams? If anything I may stop rooting for NY.

Boris

01-10-2005, 06:27 PM

Are you Randy's boyfriend?

Hack

01-10-2005, 06:29 PM

If you can just stop rooting for NY like that then you aren't a true Yankee fan. I live, eat, sleep and breathe the Yankees.

This RJ trade was a fantastic deal. Vasquez was inconsistent last year, so we were able to get rid of him and received the best pitcher in the game(even though he is old). Besides Vasquez, we only had to give up a tiny bit of cash, Brad Halsey(crappy pitcher), and Navarro(decent catching prospect). We got to keep our best minor league prospect in Eric Duncan.

We got a good deal. Rj's contract is only slightly more expensive than Vasquez's would have been, especially considering the extension terms.

CCx

01-10-2005, 06:29 PM

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Why not? Mattingly had a stache.

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Mr. Burns: Mattingly, get rid of those sideburns!

Mattingly: What sideburns?

Mr. Burns: You heard me, hippie...

Hack

01-10-2005, 06:29 PM

Randy is married.

Are you Tim Hudson's boyfriend?

Boris

01-10-2005, 06:29 PM

I just remember that one time I called you a bandwagonner and you got super pissed.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 06:33 PM

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I just remember that one time I called you a bandwagonner and you got super pissed.

[/ QUOTE ]yeah because I am not one. Lets not does this again Boris, okay?

Boris

01-10-2005, 06:41 PM

LOL. sorry.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:10 PM

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LOL. sorry.

[/ QUOTE ]I love you too Boris.

Now, lets talk about the AL West.... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Boris

01-10-2005, 07:11 PM

You're not answering my question.

I am not Tim Hudson's boyfriend. You should like him though because he will be with the Yankees in 2006.

Hack

01-10-2005, 07:12 PM

What makes you say this?

I do like Hudson's talent.

Boris

01-10-2005, 07:28 PM

If Hudson stays free of injuries he will have a monster year with the Braves. I think pitchers enjoy an advantage for the first half of the season when they switch leagues. The Braves have a better bullpen than the A's so he should have alot fewer no decisions and more wins. The batting power in the NL East is no where near that of the AL West. Leo Mazzone is the Yoda of pitching so Hudson's 5 pitch command will be better than ever. All this adds up to a monster year for Hudson and I don't think the Braves will be able to sign him.

The Yankees will still need pitching next year and Hudson will be the premier long term solution on the free agent market.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:29 PM

who do you think has a better year, Hudson or Mulder?

I am thinking Hudson.

Boris

01-10-2005, 07:33 PM

I think Hudson has the better year also. I actually didn't mind the Mulder trade. He was scary bad after the all star break so there is a risk of a serious problem with him. If his problem is mental then being The Man in St. Louis, where fans actually go to the ballpark, is not going to help matters.

Hack

01-10-2005, 07:35 PM

Of course Hudson is better.

Mulder and Zito are merely average pitchers compared to him.

He's not a power pitcher but he has a lot of weapons to take hitters on with.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:37 PM

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Of course Hudson is better.

Mulder and Zito are merely average pitchers compared to him.

[/ QUOTE ] For this to be true, you would have to say Hudson is a top 5 pitcher, which he isn't. I think all three are pretty close to the same.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:39 PM

easy way to compare two players:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/compare.cgi

I don't see a lot of difference between all three honestly.

Hack

01-10-2005, 07:41 PM

Hudson is DEFINITELY a top 5 pitcher.

Are you kidding me?

No question about it.

Look at his numbers.

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP ERA *lgERA *ERA+
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+
1999 23 OAK AL 11 2 21 21 1 0 0 0 136.3 121 56 49 8 62 132 4 6 580 3.23 4.82 149
2000 24 OAK AL 20 6 32 32 2 2 0 0 202.3 169 100 93 24 82 169 7 7 847 4.14 4.72 114
2001 25 OAK AL 18 9 35 35 3 0 0 0 235.0 216 100 88 20 71 181 6 9 980 3.37 4.35 129
2002 26 OAK AL 15 9 34 34 4 2 0 0 238.3 237 87 79 19 62 152 8 7 983 2.98 4.65 156
2003 27 OAK AL 16 7 34 34 3 2 0 0 240.0 197 84 72 15 61 162 10 6 967 2.70 4.26 158
2004 28 OAK AL 12 6 27 27 3 2 0 0 188.7 194 82 74 8 44 103 12 4 793 3.53 4.68 133
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+
6 Yr WL% .702 92 39 183 183 16 8 0 0 1240.7 1134 509 455 94 382 899 47 39 5150 3.30 4.55 138

92-39 record. 3.30 career era.

Hack

01-10-2005, 07:41 PM

Look at 2004. Hudson was clearly better than Mulder or Zito. Zito clearly has some mechanical problems. I don't know what's up with Mulder. He was a completely different pitcher after the All-Star break.

Boris

01-10-2005, 07:43 PM

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or this to be true, you would have to say Hudson is a top 5 pitcher, which he isn't.

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Your starting to piss me off. Hudson is a top 5 pitcher and there wouldn't even be an argument about this if he hadn't had an ungodly number of wins turn into no decisions throughout his career because of a crap bullpen.

Hack

01-10-2005, 07:46 PM

Exactly.

TSC you don't know what you are talking about here evidently.

If you are going to argue with me about baseball then you had better have some knowledge.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:50 PM

Starting pitchers that are better than Hudson:
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Johan Santana
Jason Schmidt
Curt Schilling
Roy Oswalt

If you want to add some relievers we can throw in:
Gagne
Rivera

The rest is ambigous. I think Hudson may be a top 10 pitcher, which is pretty good.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 07:52 PM

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Exactly.

TSC you don't know what you are talking about here evidently.

If you are going to argue with me about baseball then you had better have some knowledge.

[/ QUOTE ]dude, you are the one full of shi[/b]t.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 08:01 PM

I would have added Clemens as well, but I think he is retiring.

ThaSaltCracka

01-10-2005, 08:18 PM

I'll just add one more thing.

According to BP, Hudson was 20th in VoRP for pitchers.
here's the link (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/vorp_pitcher2004.html)

18 of those pitchers were starters.

I guess you can twist this however you want, but I will take BP's word and analysis over yours anyday.

chuuuch.

Zoltri

01-10-2005, 08:35 PM

Here is a link to the video of Johnson and his bodyguard.

CBS (http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_010111516.html)

sublime

01-10-2005, 10:06 PM

what a douchebag. at least he has company in NY.

Hack

01-11-2005, 09:44 AM

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Starting pitchers that are better than Hudson:
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Johan Santana
Jason Schmidt
Curt Schilling
Roy Oswalt

If you want to add some relievers we can throw in:
Gagne
Rivera

The rest is ambigous. I think Hudson may be a top 10 pitcher, which is pretty good.

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LMAO.

Oswalt? No.
Pedro? He's out of gas dude. Not as good as Hudson anymore.
His ERA doubled last year.

Jason Schmidt? Career era still 3.90. He's had an ok past couple of years.

And you can't compare relievers to starters.

You really don't know anything about baseball do you?

ThaSaltCracka

01-11-2005, 07:02 PM

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You really don't know anything about baseball do you?

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www.baseballprospectus.com (http://www.baseballprospectus.com)

go read and learn, last thing I am saying to you.

jakethebake

01-11-2005, 07:44 PM

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what a douchebag. at least he has company in NY.

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Are you talking about Johnson or Hack?

Hack

01-11-2005, 09:45 PM

F U pops.

Kevin

01-11-2005, 10:38 PM

I just wonder who will be the biggest red-ass in the clubhouse - Brown or Johnson. Imagine if they pitch on back to back days and both lose. All of the toilets will be smashed.

Johnson has 240+ wins. If the bronx wins 105 a year, he figures that he is good for 20 a year which means that he will be to 300 by the end of the extension. 5 cy young's pushing 5000k's and 300 wins, he will be in the team picture with the greatest of all time...if he still can stand on the bum knee.

By the way - the "don't talk to me" brought back memories of Ryan Leaf's "Don't talk to me, alright?"

Rooting for the yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack