When your set gets too much action....

[stupidsucker]

#Game No : 1415693220
***** Hand History for Game 1415693220 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:8555706 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, January 10, 01:31:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11039 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Seat11 ( $1020 )
Seat 2: Ghostz1979 ( $515 )
Seat 4: jonapimp425 ( $1480 )
Seat 5: jtlissiak ( $600 )
Seat 6: SRM0325 ( $775 )
Seat 7: zacknicsmom ( $815 )
Seat 8: RightOn ( $2795 )
Trny:8555706 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Seat11 [ 5h 5d ]
Ghostz1979 raises [60].
jonapimp425 folds.
jtlissiak folds.
SRM0325 calls [60].
zacknicsmom calls [60].
RightOn folds.
Seat11 calls [30].
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 9s, 5c ]
Seat11 checks.
Ghostz1979 bets [45].
>You have options at Table 11606 Table!.
SRM0325 is all-In [715]
zacknicsmom is all-In [755]
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
>You have options at Table 11069 Table!.
Seat11 will be using his time bank for this hand.
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
>You have options at Table 11069 Table!.
Seat11?????.

My original plan was to checkraise all in, but now every single person in the hand has shown interest in the pot. No question about it, I drop 2pair in in a flash, but what about mid set???

[adanthar]

If you fold this hand, quit poker now.

I'm serious.

[citanul]

this is amongst the easiest call ever.
i'd expect to get bitched out for slowrolling if i used my time bank at all on this hand.

citanul

[eastbay]

I can't see any other option than calling with a big grin, and a shrug if you get shown top set.

eastbay

[The Yugoslavian]

All I can think when reading your HH is, "I wish my sets got this kinda action."

That being said don't you have the second best hand possible? One of these guys is almost surely just donating to the pot and another guy probably has a flush draw. I'm sure some of the time you'll be shown 99 but given the play at the $33 level I've seen I'd wager that the vast majority of the time you're looking at a huge chip score here.

Yugoslav

[stupidsucker]

I figured that would be the response I would get.

I am man enough to admit my mistakes then. I thought and thought about the possiblities, and decided that it was a guaronteed 3way pot, and a possible 4way considering the preflop better was still yet to act behind me.

I thought...
Every single move here was a power move. Preflop was a min raise then another small raise on the flop. 2nd player pushed into 3 people one of which has the lead.. A 3rd player is also willing to risk it all besides the fact that 2 people are yet to act, and one has shown streangth already. What could they have.

I figured that 99-AA were all possible for 1-2 people to have. Look at the flop and positions. Could someone really have 2 pair? Sure but not likely imo. One person with a flush draw is also very possible most likely the 1st pusher if anyone has this.

I put too much thought into it, and had to ask here on mu hunch I was playing way to tight. I thought my play was either superb or moronic.

Seat11 folds.
Ghostz1979 is all-In [410]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
>You have options at Table 11606 Table!.
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
>You have options at Table 11069 Table!.
Ghostz1979 shows [ Kc, Kh ] a pair of kings.
SRM0325 shows [ 7s, 7c ] a pair of sevens.
zacknicsmom shows [ Qs, Qd ] a pair of queens.
SRM0325 finished in seventh place.
zacknicsmom wins 40 chips from side pot #2 with a pair of queens.
zacknicsmom wins 520 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
Ghostz1979 wins 1620 chips from the main pot with a pair of kings.
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
SRM0325 has left the table.
Game #1415700218 starts.

I screwed myself royal. I ended up taking 1st btw, and am currently on a 100 game roi of 37% and ITM of 43%.

Im not quiting poker over this though. I am curious if anyone thinks my line wasnt so ridiculous.

[Gramps]

The first bet (45) means nothing because the dude mini-raised and now mini-bet (+15) on the flop. That gives about zero info on his hand.

The second guy pushed. The pot has 300 or so chips in it. There's a flush draw out. Even if dude had a set, not many people pushing a set here. Two pair is unlikley given the board. TT/JJ, top pair, flush draw seems pretty likely. You're a 3 to 1 favorite against a flush draw, and a much bigger favorite against the other hands.

I'd respect the all-in call more, but you have to think there's plenty of players who would do this with an overpair, or top pair, or even a flush draw call (and there's loose players - even at the 215s - who will do this crap, and there's lots at the 33s). And even the few times the all-in caller does have a set, he'll have trip 3's close to half the time (maybe he'd fold those PF but call with 9s, probably not). Combined with all the other hands the all-in caller could have, your trips are a powerful favorite still.

In a 3-way all-in pot, you have to think you're > 50% comfortably on average. Once of a while the caller (or maybe the PFR) will have 99, the vast majority of the rest of the time, you'll be a strong 3-way favorite. Any player involved that doesn't have 99 or a flush draw (or 64 OESD, but that seems unlikely) is a huge dog to your hand. That's goot for u.

If you call and someone shows you 99 or hits their draw, shrug and know you made the right play. Play to max $EV, not to not lose.

[captZEEbo1]

you should pretty much NEVER be folding sets if there are no immediate straight or flush possibilities. If there are, you CAN fold sets, but not nearly as often as you'd think...

[Myst]

Id only fold sets on coordinated boards, and ONLY if I was sure my hand was no good.

Bad fold.

[apd138]

I believe this is the worst all in fold I have ever seen, given that it is a sit and go and all the rediculous play that goes with that. What % of the time do you believe somoene has 99 here. I would say almost none for the all in better a fair amount maybe 5-10% at the most for the caller and again almost none for the guy behind you, who btw with the second best hand in this situation you really shouldn't be worried about.

[jojobinks]

bad fold. i think you outthought yourself here. with no other possibilities but overpairs and flush draws, and top set being really unlikely, i think this is a factor of the pressure of the 30 seconds (plus time bank).

sometimes that pressure makes us do dumb things; i bet you could have thought this one out if party poker wasn't making that annoying "act now" beep every 10 seconds.

[schwah]

you are behind exactly 1 hand

call