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wray
01-09-2005, 05:22 PM
Noone here knows me really so let me tell you all a little bit about myself.

I'm not a pro and I'm nowhere close to being one. I do consider myself a better than average player. I'm 34 y/o and I live in Memphis.

I've been excited about this years WPO for a while. I played in 3 satellites and finally won my seat into the 500 buy-in NLHE with rebuys tournament. I would rather play in one w/o rebuys but the 500 entry for that has already been played.

I was really focused and psyched up to play. At 12:00 the cards go in the air. Everyone had showed up except the seat to my right (2 seat). I knew there would be some people playing pretty loose because of the rebuys. I slowly built my stack up to 1800 in the first 30 minutes. I made all the right decisions. Then the 2 seat showed up... It was Robert Williamson. He played almost every pot and I think ABOUT every pot he played in he raised. Well I wasn't nervous (like I thought I'd be)and continued to build my stack. In the next 30 minutes RW rebought at least 3 times. There's no doubt he loves to gamble. I continued to build and he rebought a couple more times.

The next thing I knew I had 3500 in chips. RW raised in middle position to 150. (The blinds were 25-50) I looked down and almost wet myself with 2 red A's. I didn't want to raise too much but I sure as heck wasn't limping. I raised it to 300 with 3 people to act after me. One of em called and it got back to RW. He called the 300. The flop came 672 with 2 diamonds. RW checked and I bet 600. The next guy called and RW moved all in for about 1100. I moved all-in behind him and the next guy folded. RW showed me 59 of diamonds for a flush draw and an inside straight draw. The turn came nothing and the river gave him the 8 he was hoping for.

About 10 hands later I called on the button with 10 J of diamonds. Three of us stayed (not RW). The flop came 10 7 4. They both checked and I bet 300. One guy folded and the other asked me if I was slow playing aces again. I told him I wasn't. He asked if pocket jacks were good. I told him I wasn't going to say if that was good or not but I told him that if I was in his position with that flop and pocket jacks I'd call. At that time I was down to 1175 including the 300 I put out there. He raised it to 500. (I'm pretty sure he was supposed to raise to at least 600 but I didn't say anything)I called. The turn came a deuce. He bet 500 (with absolutly no idea I only had 575 left) I thought I had a real good read on the guy and I went all-in for the 575. He looked like he was going to cry when I called. Then he saw he only had to put 75 more in so he called. He turned over A 9. The river gave him the Ace and now I'm out.

I lost 2 big hands and both times they caught it on the river with 3 outs.

My spirit has been crushed.

I will say that RW was an absolute awesome guy. He was as nice as could be and I wish him the best.

drewjustdrew
01-09-2005, 05:34 PM
tough breaks. It is tough to play rebuy tourneys with one bullet. The bankrolled people have a very big advantage.

Jim T
01-09-2005, 06:08 PM
"I lost 2 big hands and both times they caught it on the river with 3 outs."

Hate to be a stickler, but I think RW had 12 outs.

Both tough losses anyway.

wray
01-10-2005, 08:57 AM
You're exactly right...I even knew it when he turned his cards over. I mean well I KNEW he had a flush and a straight draw but as soon as he turned his cards over he told me... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't know what I was thinking when I posted that.

PokerGoblin
01-11-2005, 10:20 AM
That sucks man, but it sounds like you're a pretty solid player FWIW. I hope it was a good experience for you.

Best of luck

PG

Nick-Zack
01-11-2005, 10:45 AM
Sorry about the beats. The advice I would give you and eveyone else is not to talk when you have money in the pot. There is just no upside to carrying on a conversation with money at risk.

TStoneMBD
01-11-2005, 10:51 AM
the A9 hand is a beat. you deserved to lose with your aces tho.

wray
01-11-2005, 12:23 PM
I'm not sur ehow I deserve to lose with those aces. I was a favorite all the way through. I think after the flop I was still like 57% favorite. Are you saying that because I should have played them different in your opinion? I would love some feedback on how I played it.

I have limped in that situation b4 and got beat. I wanted to bet enough to get people like RW's hand out. I have debated that maybe I should have raised to maybe 600 at that point. I wanted some callers...I just didn't want those people that would typically limp in( once again like RW's hand).

As far as talking during a hand I would normally agree but I just felt so good about playing this guy. Don't get me wrong he was no slouch and maybe he was playing me. But going over and over in my head I still don't think I said anything that cost me that hand. IMHO what cost me that hand was him not knowing my stack size. As soon as I went all-in for 75 more than than his 500 bet he really looked like he was gonna cry.

There was one hand about 1 hour earlier where he I had Q 10. The flop brought Q high. I felt good about that one but checked and everyone else did too. The turn came with a flush draw. I really thought I had the best hand and bet 125 into a pot with about 500 in it. he called and one other guy called.

The river didn't help the flush but it did bring an ace. That's when I was scared. The first guy checked ( a bald guy with the exception of a LONG pony tail. Many people seemed to know him) I don't know why but I thought he had an ace. Anyway the guy that I lost the Bad Beat hand to thought for a while and finally bet 500. The guy with the pony tail folded. I thought about it for a while and something smelled funny. For some reason I wasn't really worried about him having an ace but maybe Q with a higher kicker. I called and he didn't even show his cards.

37offsuit
01-11-2005, 03:52 PM
The problem with the AA hand is that because it's a rebuy and that people have shown a willingness to rebuy, you want to raise enough to get it heads up, probably with the original raiser. The pot was t225 when it got to you, you raise to 300 so it's 150 to call into a 525 pot for RW. It's safe to assume he's calling. That theoretically means anyone in between you and him is figuring the pot to be worth 675. Each call of 300 increases the chances of more callers as the pot grows. Since you aren't planning on rebuying, you want to get this heads up. Raise more. Make it 500 - 600 to go. Maybe some times you waste your aces like this, but you have to figure RW is looking for action and will call anyway.

The way you played this, if you aren't going to get away from this hand, push on the flop or at least bet enough to put RW all in. Probably the results are the same, but what are you going to do?

wray
01-11-2005, 06:03 PM
You bring up a great point. To make it even more in RW's favor there was a call of 300 between RW and myself. So he was even getting better odds.

Next time I'll raise more in that situation.

I was involved with pocket aces 4 times during the 5 tournaments I played. (4 satellites and the one I've been talking about) Three of the times I was beat when they had em and I got beat the one time I had em. That hurts.....

I'm not one of those guys that thinks I have all this kind of bad luck. I get the rolls just like the next fella. Just in that situation to have those hands come so close together. I had been waiting for this WPO for months. I obviosly didn't prepare for it like I should have. I should have taken the time off work and had the funds to play in the ones I wanted to play in... No real excuses here. Bad beats happen. Overall it was a great experience. I loved having the 1 hour between blind increases. In the typical weekly casino tournaments they're 15-20.

ok, I'm done ranting.

bigfishead
01-12-2005, 01:09 PM
with years at the table you will learn what to say to get the calls you want. And the folds sometimes too. Talk works if you know what/when to say it.

bigfishead
01-12-2005, 01:14 PM
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As far as talking during a hand I would normally agree but I just felt so good about playing this guy. Don't get me wrong he was no slouch and maybe he was playing me. But going over and over in my head I still don't think I said anything that cost me that hand. IMHO what cost me that hand was him not knowing my stack size. As soon as I went all-in for 75 more than than his 500 bet he really looked like he was gonna cry.


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The proper bet would be to have stacked off earlier. the 75 as you can see did absolutely nothing for you. But had you popped him earlier ...90% he folds. He knows your willing to risk your tournament life with this large bet, he cant call.