01-21-2002, 06:06 AM
Hello
I have had a few ask about my databases. This is a summary of my most recent one which I use for PartyPoker, which is where I'm currently putting in most of my play. I started this about the beginning of Nov., so it has a ways to go.
Comments, good and bad, are welcome.
Party Poker Database 1/02
Total players: 554
1: 1
2: 4
3: 18
4: 91
5: 72
6: 38
7: 11
8: 7
9: 2
nr 312
Of the 312 with no rating 60 have playing style notes.
Of the 91 Grp 4's, 43 have a "tight?" comment in the playing style which means I have played enough with not to see any glaring mistakes.
242 players with ratings.
1: 00.4%
2: 01.6
3: 07.4
4: 37.6
5. 29.8
6: 15.7
7: 04.6
8: 02.9
9: 00.8
As you can see, 2/3 of players land in the average(4) and below average groups. This database is about 90 days old and over time with enough observations more will move up to above average(3) and down to poor(6) but unless the amount of new players doesn't slow, the middle groups will continue to have the bulk of the players in them. This also a factor of how I view poker, many average and below average players. So, shoot me.
There is about 60 players in Group 6-9. Every player at the top knows these players by name whether they keep notes or not. For this is where the bulk of games that are very profitable are built around. Some only come out every month or so. Some I fear will never be seen again, sigh. It is split on their playing stlyes in the lower groups. "loose caller" is easy to understand, they call and call and call. How much they call decides which group they end up in.
"very loose/very ag" are the big fish, they swim in the pot avg $180-220($10-20 HE) end of the pool. The group 6 "very loose/very ag" are the ones that seem to be the best at overcoming their playing style, the playing of too many hands, by playing very tough on the later betting rounds.
Most of the rest in these lower groups are "loose ag" and are just plain weak, but play fewer hands than the true go-off artists.
In the top groups "med tight ag" gets the money it seems. This process is very subjective, it is how I see the player and how tough it is for me to play against them. "tight ag" is more the group 3 or 4. and most likely the player that I wish to have behind me. Since I play less hands with them, having this player, even though they play well, behind me hurts me less than having any med loose agressive player behind me, good or bad.
Almost any player in the top groups is tricky, some more than others. The good short-hand players, which can adjust for ring games are well represented here.
I will not give out the names any of the lower groups, but here is my opinion of the best players in the $10-20 hold'em:
Marchese
Gilbralter
Catnip
Puravida
Jesusrocks
Royalen
Bopper
Dan Druff
Tuco Ramirez
Stonekiller
There are other group 3's on the site, but they play other games, some that I do not play well enough to judge fairly, some could say the same thing about my hold'em game.
For me to give a player a high rating I must have seen them play for a period of time and with good solid play with very little tilt.
There are other players which seem to play good, but till they become a HUGE pain in the ass by repeatly taking my money and other's they will stay as group 4's.
Hope this has some value.
MS Sunshine
I have had a few ask about my databases. This is a summary of my most recent one which I use for PartyPoker, which is where I'm currently putting in most of my play. I started this about the beginning of Nov., so it has a ways to go.
Comments, good and bad, are welcome.
Party Poker Database 1/02
Total players: 554
1: 1
2: 4
3: 18
4: 91
5: 72
6: 38
7: 11
8: 7
9: 2
nr 312
Of the 312 with no rating 60 have playing style notes.
Of the 91 Grp 4's, 43 have a "tight?" comment in the playing style which means I have played enough with not to see any glaring mistakes.
242 players with ratings.
1: 00.4%
2: 01.6
3: 07.4
4: 37.6
5. 29.8
6: 15.7
7: 04.6
8: 02.9
9: 00.8
As you can see, 2/3 of players land in the average(4) and below average groups. This database is about 90 days old and over time with enough observations more will move up to above average(3) and down to poor(6) but unless the amount of new players doesn't slow, the middle groups will continue to have the bulk of the players in them. This also a factor of how I view poker, many average and below average players. So, shoot me.
There is about 60 players in Group 6-9. Every player at the top knows these players by name whether they keep notes or not. For this is where the bulk of games that are very profitable are built around. Some only come out every month or so. Some I fear will never be seen again, sigh. It is split on their playing stlyes in the lower groups. "loose caller" is easy to understand, they call and call and call. How much they call decides which group they end up in.
"very loose/very ag" are the big fish, they swim in the pot avg $180-220($10-20 HE) end of the pool. The group 6 "very loose/very ag" are the ones that seem to be the best at overcoming their playing style, the playing of too many hands, by playing very tough on the later betting rounds.
Most of the rest in these lower groups are "loose ag" and are just plain weak, but play fewer hands than the true go-off artists.
In the top groups "med tight ag" gets the money it seems. This process is very subjective, it is how I see the player and how tough it is for me to play against them. "tight ag" is more the group 3 or 4. and most likely the player that I wish to have behind me. Since I play less hands with them, having this player, even though they play well, behind me hurts me less than having any med loose agressive player behind me, good or bad.
Almost any player in the top groups is tricky, some more than others. The good short-hand players, which can adjust for ring games are well represented here.
I will not give out the names any of the lower groups, but here is my opinion of the best players in the $10-20 hold'em:
Marchese
Gilbralter
Catnip
Puravida
Jesusrocks
Royalen
Bopper
Dan Druff
Tuco Ramirez
Stonekiller
There are other group 3's on the site, but they play other games, some that I do not play well enough to judge fairly, some could say the same thing about my hold'em game.
For me to give a player a high rating I must have seen them play for a period of time and with good solid play with very little tilt.
There are other players which seem to play good, but till they become a HUGE pain in the ass by repeatly taking my money and other's they will stay as group 4's.
Hope this has some value.
MS Sunshine