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bdk3clash

01-06-2005, 08:05 PM

Opponent is loose (32% VPIP), aggressive (PFR around 11%, PFAF >3), and apparently knows that I enjoy long walks on the beach, betting when checked to, and calling down like a little girl.

Comments on each street appreciated.

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Preflop: bdk3clash is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
bdk3clash raises, 8 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, bdk3clash raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, bdk3clash bets, BB raises, bdk3clash calls.

River: (8.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, bdk3clash bets, BB raises, bdk3clash calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)

01-06-2005, 08:09 PM

I'd think about calling the flop and raising the turn.

Given that you played the hand the way you did I check behind on the river.

chesspain

01-06-2005, 08:17 PM

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Given that you played the hand the way you did I check behind on the river.

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So would I.

krishanleong

01-06-2005, 09:27 PM

Not me, I'm a sucker for being checked to. How many 2+2ers can say they have been the victum of a trifecta?

Krishan

billyjex

01-06-2005, 09:32 PM

It wasn't a trifecta, he didn't get c/r on the flop.

emonrad87

01-06-2005, 09:34 PM

Why did you bet out again on the river?

I would go for the smooth call on the flop and the check-raise on the turn.

JinX11

01-06-2005, 09:43 PM

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Not me, I'm a sucker for being checked to. How many 2+2ers can say they have been the victum of a trifecta?

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Nope, but I can say I pulled a trifecta, Full Flownder style (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1024242&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1) on a 2+2er (josh1122).

He's still bitter. N00b f|sH!!

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 (josh1122 (N00b)) caps, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls, UTG calls.

River: (25.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls.

Final Pot: 33.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
josh1122 (N00b) has 5d 9d (two pair, nines and fives).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 33.25 BB.

josh1122

01-06-2005, 11:23 PM

I still have nightmares about that hand. And my -80BB LAGfest 2+2 tables. Yes, I was pwned.

James282

01-06-2005, 11:35 PM

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Not me, I'm a sucker for being checked to. How many 2+2ers can say they have been the victum of a trifecta?

Krishan

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Someone pulled a trifecta on me two days ago. The problem was, I had top two pair and he had 9 high.
-James

tripdad

01-06-2005, 11:39 PM

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Not me, I'm a sucker for being checked to. How many 2+2ers can say they have been the victum of a trifecta?

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call me silly, but i think naming fellow 2+2'ers in hands like this should be frowned upon unless you are friends and discuss it prior to doing it.

cheers!

Nope, but I can say I pulled a trifecta, Full Flownder style (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1024242&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1) on a 2+2er (josh1122).

He's still bitter. N00b f|sH!!

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 (josh1122 (N00b)) caps, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls, UTG calls.

River: (25.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, josh1122 (N00b) bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, josh1122 (N00b) 3-bets, Hero caps, josh1122 (N00b) calls.

Final Pot: 33.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
josh1122 (N00b) has 5d 9d (two pair, nines and fives).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 33.25 BB. 

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josh1122

01-06-2005, 11:46 PM

I don't mind, but I would have preferred if he pointed out that it was a 2+2 public table during MarkL's ADHOC challenge and that that was definately not a "real" game.

EDIT: And it also proves that party is rigged. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

JinX11

01-06-2005, 11:51 PM

*LOL* So, are we gonna LAG up Bison's ADHOC Challenge or what?? That waiting list is gonna be 50 deep. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

JinX11

01-06-2005, 11:53 PM

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call me silly, but i think naming fellow 2+2'ers in hands like this should be frowned upon unless you are friends and discuss it prior to doing it.

cheers!

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"silly" - point taken. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

BottlesOf

01-07-2005, 12:22 AM

No way. I'm almost never c/rd twice like this. If he checks the river, easy bet.

I as well, would call the flop and raise a turn bet.

J.R.

01-07-2005, 01:44 AM

perfect. Maybe a river check can be considered becuase of the 4 parts to a straight, but I dunno, that seems a bit weak without a corresponding read with this betting pattern. I must suck too. People do this kinda crap all the time with silly hands, and if he got you here, so be it. He'll likely give it back and more. Its about chips, not image.

I hate waiting until the turn unless you do it with hands like AQ on this flop and you guy knos you as the turn raise makes it too easy for a worse hand to get away (unless you know villian can't let go of a pair). If the board was more ragged a turn raise is a bit more palatable, but I really dislike it with the K on the flop.

bdk3clash

01-07-2005, 03:05 AM

I think anyone who is advocating checking behind on this river is either being results-oriented or is just wrong. This is often a failed turn semi-bluff or whatever and there's plenty of value in betting this river when checked to.

BottlesOf

01-07-2005, 03:10 AM

Correct.