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spydog

01-06-2005, 03:15 PM

Here is the link to my challenge:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1476182&page=3&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

Well, I made it through .50/1 with 2663 hands to spare. My original projection was 7500 hands, which equates to a 4BB/100 win rate. Here are my stats:

Hands: 4837
VPIP: 16.62
PFR%: 9.16
W$WSF: 31.14
WSD: 31.14 (yes, the same as the above stat)
W$SD: 59.71
Win Rate: 6.22BB/100
Flop AF: 3.29
Turn AF: 3.53
River AF: 2.01
Postflop AF: 2.99 (pretty high for me)
Folded to River Bet: 50.90% (wow, this is really high)

Here are some overall stats for .50/1:

VPIP: 34.61 (compared to 45.16% 1 year ago)
PFR: 5.34 (compared to 4.40% 1 year ago)
ASF: 38.98 (compared to 50.96% 1 year ago)

It should be noted that a year ago I was living in the US and playing mainly at night and on the weekends. Now I live in Europe and play mostly during the daytime (European day time).

I was shocked at the change in the game. It's still quite bad, don't get me wrong. However, the game is much tighter than 1 year ago. I thought I would be seeing multiple 7+way pots, but they were few and far between. I actually left many tables as their VPIP dipped below 30 or so. The players, even the tight ones, are incredibly bad postflop, though. Many players are just so passive that it is easy to make turn and river folds, even with top pair. And they have no idea how to extract with good hands.

The main difference in me, as a player, from last year is that I value betted like crazy. Some of the hands that called me down were unbelievable. Also, I was able to bet many turns/rivers and fold to a raise from passive players. This was something I had trouble doing a year ago. Last year, I would just call down with top pair on a 4 straight, 3 flush board. I think this is why my 'folded to a river bet' is so high, as well as my river aggression factor.

In general I was spot on with my reads, which were greatly enhanced by PlayerView and PT.

Anyway, here are some hands.

This was my biggest pot. I wonder if most people would play this differently, especially the flop. Both PF raisers were reasonable.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (15.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, CO calls, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero caps, MP1 folds, CO calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (33.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 45.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Kh Ks (full house, kings full of jacks).
Hero has Js As (four of a kind, jacks).
CO has Th Tc (full house, jacks full of tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 45.75 BB. 

Villian here is quite passive. I liked having him at the table. No need to fear the flush. Can you believe this?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and fives).
Button has 4s 2s (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.75 BB. 

Who says fish are the only players allowed to suck out?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
5 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (12 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls $2 (All-In), SB calls, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Ah 3h (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has 7s As (full house, aces full of sevens).
CO has 8c 6c (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 20 BB. 

And..this was the hand that put me at 300BB. Villian here was fairly passive with a postflop aggression of .8. Anything lower and I might fold the turn, but figured him for 98 or trips and figured I had hidden outs if it was 98 or some other crappy 2-pair.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, BB raises, Hero calls, MP2 folds, Button calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 4d 9c (one pair, nines).
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 15.25 BB.

meep_42

01-06-2005, 03:22 PM

You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.

I fold the AJs hand PF twice.

-d

spydog

01-06-2005, 03:30 PM

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You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.

I fold the AJs hand PF twice.

-d

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A raise and caller before me, with the anticipation of at least 2 more callers, you would fold this? I'd have to check Poker Tracker, but I think I had 2 superloose fish sitting to my left. Maybe at higher stakes this could be a fold. But here, no way. Especially, the 2nd time around.

Fabian

01-06-2005, 03:43 PM

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You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.

I fold the AJs hand PF twice.

-d

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A raise and caller before me, with the anticipation of at least 2 more callers, you would fold this? I'd have to check Poker Tracker, but I think I had 2 superloose fish sitting to my left. Maybe at higher stakes this could be a fold. But here, no way. Especially, the 2nd time around.

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Agreed.

spydog

01-06-2005, 03:47 PM

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You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.
-d

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Yes. I ran very well. However, I believe that this game could be beaten for 4.5BB+/100, maybe even 5BB+.

Funny enough, I could have made it in less hands. I was at 297BB before a 40BB downswing. I think I was at 3500 hands at this point. This was followed by a quick upswing to 296BB before a 30BB downswing. The last 35BB came pretty sharply.

meep_42

01-06-2005, 04:00 PM

Yes, it is quite beatable for 4.5+, 6+ in the long run -- not so much. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Good luck, i'm looking forward to see how you do in the next step.

-d

kiemo

01-06-2005, 04:08 PM

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You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.
-d

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Yes. I ran very well. However, I believe that this game could be beaten for 4.5BB+/100, maybe even 5BB+.

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At almost 36% VPIP?

One would have to be one hell of a postflop player I would think to accomplish this.

MasterShakes

01-06-2005, 04:16 PM

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You ran extra-ordinarily well. Good luck.
-d

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Yes. I ran very well. However, I believe that this game could be beaten for 4.5BB+/100, maybe even 5BB+.

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At almost 36% VPIP?

One would have to be one hell of a postflop player I would think to accomplish this.

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I'm pretty sure it's doable with a VPIP of 16.62 though. Read carefully before criticizing.

TimM

01-06-2005, 04:21 PM

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It should be noted that a year ago I was living in the US and playing mainly at night and on the weekends. Now I live in Europe and play mostly during the daytime (European day time).

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That's morning in the U.S., generally a slower time and results in tighter games. Are you playing at times Party has around 20,000 players as opposed to 50,000+?

spydog

01-06-2005, 04:39 PM

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That's morning in the U.S., generally a slower time and results in tighter games. Are you playing at times Party has around 20,000 players as opposed to 50,000+?

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Not sure how many players are playing in the morning. I'll try and remember to look tomorrow. It's 8:30PM here and there are 44,000 players playing.

klagett

01-06-2005, 05:34 PM

well done!

kiemo

01-06-2005, 05:58 PM

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I'm pretty sure it's doable with a VPIP of 16.62 though. Read carefully before criticizing.

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It was a question, not criticism, which is why I commented about post flop play. Read carefully before jumping to conclusions.

Since most micro players are not good post flop player, which is one of the reasons a tight preflop game is emphasized so much, I generally wonder if a exceptional post flop player could maintain a extremely high winrate at micros.

I did miss that the overall VPIP included hands from before the challenge began.

spydog

01-07-2005, 05:21 AM

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I did miss that the overall VPIP included hands from before the challenge began.

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The VPIP of 36% is for all players, excluding myself. Last year it was 45%. I have never had a VPIP close to 36%, at any level.

spydog

01-07-2005, 08:31 AM

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It should be noted that a year ago I was living in the US and playing mainly at night and on the weekends. Now I live in Europe and play mostly during the daytime (European day time).

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That's morning in the U.S., generally a slower time and results in tighter games. Are you playing at times Party has around 20,000 players as opposed to 50,000+?

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At 12:30PM European time, which is 7:30AM EST, there were 12,000 players.

daveymck

01-07-2005, 10:24 AM

Its the problem with European time it doesnt start to really pick up again until 8pm GMT.

Blackjack

01-07-2005, 12:15 PM

Screw what the Naysayers say.

I like this quest a lot. Goodluck with it bro.

I find that whenever my BR gets really fat and large, I tend to play over my head. I actually really like the idea of starting fresh with a small BR and building up again. It'll help me check to see where I really am as a player and see if I have the skills to build up the BR again.

Blackjack