10/20 Live hand, When to slowplay?

[mannika]

Game is 10/20, full ring, about half of the table is somewhat tight, other half are horrible loose passivish.

Bear with me as I am trying to do this by memory. Details and cards may be incorrect, but will get the point across regardless.

Hero is in SB with 99. There are 4 limpers, hero completes and BB checks, 6 to the flop.

Flop comes: 952 rainbow. At this point, I have the best hand and it is fairly likely that I will win unimproved.
Generally, how do you play this from here on? Past experience showed that it was RARE that a multiway pot would get checked through, and any bet would generally be called by 3 or so of the passive players.

My initial inclination was to go for the c/r. So I check from the SB. BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, and it is folded to me.

How can I ensure the largest pot possible without making it completely obvious what my hand is? If I 3-bet the flop, it is likely to scare off one of the two remaining players, who I would be more than happy to give a free card to. So I call, and UTG calls as well, 3 to the turn.

On the turn, a fairly meaningless card drops (lets say J rainbow). What is my line here with 3 players and myself first to act?


Essentially, the fundamental questions that I am asking here are: What is the ideal way to get the most money in (with what you feel is the best hand unimproved), in a 3-way pot when you are first to act? It seems as if any aggressive measures taken too early will shut people out of the pot.

Edit: Also, the 10/20 refers to Canadian dollars, so you may want to discount your advice by 15-20% or so. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chris Daddy Cool]

the best method to ensure bets go in is doing the betting yourself.

generally i think people worry too much about checkraising and not enough about actually betting.
going for checkraises when you don't know where a bet will come from is overrated.
betting is underrated.

[Kaz The Original]

Which casino?

Whether to bet or check raise the field depends on where the aggressive players are located in relation to you.

[mannika]

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the best method to ensure bets go in is doing the betting yourself.

generally i think people worry too much about checkraising and not enough about actually betting.
going for checkraises when you don't know where a bet will come from is overrated.
betting is underrated.

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Okay, because I really don't remember exactly what happened this hand, what happens if I bet on the flop (in retrospect, I think I might have), and similar to the previous example, get called by UTG and raised by UTG+1? Should I be 3-betting? Or is that just hugely giving away my hand?

[pindawg]

Call the flop bets, check/call the turn and check raise the river.. should keep both customers to the riveer

[mannika]

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Which casino?

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Was at Great Blue Heron in Port Perry for about 4 hours today.

[etizzle]

close to I would advise, but you need to bet the turn here. You dont want these guys to take a free card if they're scared by your coldcall. If one or both of them call (especially if only one calls), then I would probably go for a river checkraise. Hero has 2 of 3 remaining 9s, so its actually quite likely that these clowns have absolutely nothing that they'd want to bet (the most likely hands would be one underpair and one random broadway hand.)

So, especially If some paint drops on the turn, I would bet out. If you get called in both places, checkraise the river. If the flop better folds and the flop raiser calls, bet the river. If the flop better calls and the flop raiser folds, then I would again go for the river checkraise.

[pheasant tail (no 18)]

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Should I be 3-betting? Or is that just hugely giving away my hand?

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I think these questions really depend on the players, esp. UTG. Does he think enough to even put you on a hand? If he does you probably don't want to shut him out w/ top set on a ragged flop.

I think you must bet the turn. You may get both to call, which is likely as good as a check raise that either looses him or utg+1 may not bet. But mainly, I think you should bet to get utg to call and have utg+1 raise so that you can then reraise. Give them an opportunity to show how proud they are of their hands.

They cannot raise a check, nor can they check your bet.

[PittRounder]

I almost always bet out a flop like this. Theres all kinds of bs that 10 players will peel for especially for 1sb. In a lot of games a bunch will come along for the ride. I'm usually satisifed just betting out each street and I'm expecting to get paid off. If say utg raises the flop, now you know where the likely turn bet is coming from, and now you can c-r and trap the field for an additional bb. If the button raises, I'd be inclinde to just call and bet out the turn, trying to trap the field again.

[JasonP530]

I like your line. I would call the flop and lead the turn. Dont forget, it is unlikely that anyone has an overpair(they would have raised preflop) or that anyone has a 9 they are willing to play hard. So its either a raise for a free card, or a set. If its a set, you do better by leading and 3 betting. I like to check the flop. A lot of times, the first position or second position will bet, and people will take one off with overcards or other crap. Then you checkraise the flop and make them pay double when they are drawing nearly dead. You would hate like hell to lead the flop and get raised by the UTG who shuts out the field. If someone bets and another raises, you didnt contribute to the elimination of a field that has very few outs.

[Alexthegreat]

Flop is fine....Lead the turn...that's a good idea.....You probably won't get raised...If you are raised, 3-bet....

Do not go for a river check-raise if you are flat called by either of them......Holy crap that is bad advice....One, you will whiff way more than is acceptable, and two, what do you expect to pay you off??? Not much on this board at all.....You are better off hoping to get raised at some point on the river and turn, and if not, well, you still got the bets in....

[bobbyi]

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Also, the 10/20 refers to Canadian dollars, so you may want to discount your advice by 15-20% or so.

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Games played in Canadian dollars belong in the micro-limit forum.