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SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 02:48 PM

The SSQ continues, though it came within one half of one BB of ending the other week. Today I'm home sick from work, and I've already booked a solid 25 BB loss in 372 hands. 19 of those BB were due to AA and KK being cracked 4 out of 5 times, though, so what are you gonna do?

Here are 3 questionable hands.

Hand 1: What do you do on the turn here? Calling seemed weak, I was hesitant to raise against that large field on the third flush card...

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds...

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Hand 2: UTG+2 is tight and aggressive. SB seems normal. Too fancy on my part?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises.....

Hand 3: Drop this way earlier? MP2 and MP3 are both huge calling stations.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (20.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 29.75 BB

Overall SSQ Stats to Date

Hands: 17,542
VPIP: 13.8
VPSB: 22.59
PFR: 7.85
W$WSF: 29.25
W$SD: 51.7
Folded SB: 90.67
Folded BB: 75.00
Att to Steal Blinds: 18.38

Aggression

Flop: 3.09
Turn: 2.69
River: 2.21
Checkraise: 0.67

Standard Deviation: 14.33
BB/100: (0.02)

Fat Nicky

01-03-2005, 02:56 PM

Hand 1:
I definitly think folding is the worst option. I'd raise and see where the field is. The bet from MP2 could mean too many things here to lay this hand down now. You can think about folding to a 3 bet.

Hand 2:
I like betting into the PFR insteand of the c/r.

Hand 3:
I think this is fine and you didn't let it go to early.

sfwusc

01-03-2005, 02:57 PM

What the heck are you doing on hand #1?

They would have bet the flush draw on the flop. If you think have the flush now(playing for a checkraise), then call down. I think you against Ax most times. That said A5, A6, A9, AJ, AQ, AK beat you.

A5, A6, A9 would have limped/called.
AJ is a possible hand for the BB
AQ and AK would have raised preflop.

you are 5:8 against everyone but the BB
6:9 against BB.

reraise the turn and fold to a three bet.

SWUSC

SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 03:18 PM

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They would have bet the flush draw on the flop. If you think have the flush now(playing for a checkraise), then call down. I think you against Ax most times. That said A5, A6, A9, AJ, AQ, AK beat you.

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Bad players don't often pump their flush draws correctly. So they wouldn't have necessarily bet the flop.

I'm not saying raising is wrong... but I'm just really not looking forward to having to fold to a 3-bet. Is that really the best line?

Fat Nicky

01-03-2005, 03:21 PM

Just calling the turn bet is inviting anyone with bottom or middle pair, to stay in the hand and outdraw you. You're hand is vulnerable going into the river to someone holding a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, why make is worse by keep bottom pair hands in the pot.

SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 03:39 PM

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Just calling the turn bet is inviting anyone with bottom or middle pair, to stay in the hand and outdraw you. You're hand is vulnerable going into the river to someone holding a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, why make is worse by keep bottom pair hands in the pot.

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Agreed, but can you fold to the 3-bet?

Fat Nicky

01-03-2005, 03:40 PM

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Agreed, but can you fold to the 3-bet?

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Yes.

BWebb

01-03-2005, 03:54 PM

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Overall SSQ Stats to Date

Hands: 17,542
VPIP: 13.8
VPSB: 22.59
PFR: 7.85
W$WSF: 29.25
W$SD: 51.7
Folded SB: 90.67
Folded BB: 75.00
Att to Steal Blinds: 18.38

Aggression

Flop: 3.09
Turn: 2.69
River: 2.21
Checkraise: 0.67

Standard Deviation: 14.33
BB/100: (0.02)

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Not sure what the quest is, but the VP$P and PFR% numbers seems awfully low. Are you maybe playing a little too tight preflop?

SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 05:22 PM

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Not sure what the quest is, but the VP$P and PFR% numbers seems awfully low. Are you maybe playing a little too tight preflop?

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The quest is to not suck any more.

I've been told I'm too tight based on these stats, but I really can't think of what else to play.

I'll limp baby pairs and suited Ax UTG, unless the table is noticeably aggressive.

Obviously raising everything on down to KQo and AJo UTG as well.

Raising everything down to TT from any position, regardless of how many limpers.

Raising 99 in unraised pots.

3-betting AKo, sometimes AQs if the raiser is a jerk.

Limping suited broadway when appropriate; raising when appropriate.

Am I missing something?

Sarge85

01-03-2005, 05:31 PM

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Turn: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds...

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Icky.

Raise with position. If your worried on the river, my guess is that you may get a free showdown if you raise the turn.

Raise the turn. fold to a three bet...etc, etc...

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Turkish

01-03-2005, 05:31 PM

I'm playing 2/4 right now as well and have almost identical Vpip and PFR numbers. I keep trying to add hands to my raising spectrum, but I can't for the life of me get my PFR over 8.

Sarge85

01-03-2005, 05:33 PM

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Flop: (8 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises.....

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I bet the flop.

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bdubs

01-03-2005, 05:38 PM

Hand 1: Why wouldn't you bet the flop? You raised preflop and then show no agression and let any small pair or flush draw see a free card. I would have bet the flop, and call the turn when the ace hits.
Hand 2: I would have gotten rid of this preflop to the raise, but if you are determined to play this I would 3bet preflop and see how the pfr acts on the flop.
Hand 3: Preflop you look fine. I would bet out the flop like you did and just call the reraise and check/call to the river. What did they have on here im curious to know

SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 06:19 PM

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Hand 1: Why wouldn't you bet the flop?

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I'm not bluffing into 6 players without even a decent backdoor draw.

SomethingClever

01-03-2005, 06:30 PM

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Hand 2: I would have gotten rid of this preflop to the raise, but if you are determined to play this I would 3bet preflop and see how the pfr acts on the flop.

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I figured there was a very good chance the raiser had overcards like AJ, AQ, KQ or AK here. I also figured he would bet the flop no matter what fell, but only call a bet from another player.

I thought a checkraise might just scare him off if he missed. It turns out that it did... and both players folded. So the results were good, but I want to make sure it isn't a -EV move with this read.