Playing heads up, did I angle-shoot here?

[David04]

Okay, I was playing heads-up with a very impatient player, and would often act out of turn. So we were playing a hand, and he bet on the river. I was considering what action to take when he says "What do you have?" not realizing I still had to act. So I show him, and of course he shows me his losing hand. I call and rake the pot. He was upset because he thought I had called, but he flipped over his cards before I had taken any action. What should I have done in this situation? Tell him I hadn't called yet? Or was what I did legal, but a little bit unethical?

[wingsfan]

In my opinion, it's maybe just a touch of an angle shoot, but I certainly wouldn't look down on you for it. It's not your problem he was playing impatient and not paying attention to the action. Hopefully, he learned something about his own play rather than chalking it up to "This $#%*! I was playing cheated and stole a pot from me." Then again, there have been many discussions here about whether or not you can show cards before a showdown. Either way, I wouldn't lie awake at night over it.

[slickterp]

TJ cloutier once one a home game pot w/ no cards. huis cards were taken into the muck by accident, but the guy he was HU w/ didn't notice. TJ kept his hands where it looked like he was protecting his cards and raised all in. the pot was folded to him. if he can do it, so can you. i think it is stupidity on his part more than cheating on yours.

[David04]

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TJ cloutier once one a home game pot w/ no cards. huis cards were taken into the muck by accident, but the guy he was HU w/ didn't notice. TJ kept his hands where it looked like he was protecting his cards and raised all in. the pot was folded to him. if he can do it, so can you. i think it is stupidity on his part more than cheating on yours.

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I heard something like that, but I didn't think it was Cloutier. Pretty funny story anyways.

I didn't really feel like I was cheating, but if it had been a real serious game I probably wouldn't have done it(although I probably wouldn't see to many players like this in a serious game)

[Spook]

showing your hand when there is still action to follow is illegal according to Roberts rules, I believe the only time you can show your hand is when you are debating calling an all in bet (or would be all in yourself).

[Johnny5]

Actually, to my knowledge, Robert's Rules only mention this in regard to tournaments (#19). Even then, it is specifically allowed when the play is heads up.

J5

[kodonnell]

Under the etiquette section of Roberts Rules as "improper"...not illegal:
Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete.

However, under Irregularities (#12):
A card that is flashed by a player will play.

From what I understand this rule varies by casino. We play that if you show your cards before the showdown, they still are live and play.

K-

[EStreet20]

Don't know if I'd consider it angle shooting but in my game (and any casino I've played) you'd have flat out lost the pot for failing to protect your hand. The second you show even one of your cards your hand is considered dead and folded. That's a basic rule in modern poker and it prevents people from using Doyle Brunson's old trick of turning his hand face up on the table and gauging a player's reaction when another player moves all in against him. He describes it in the original Supersystem but since that time rules have been made against the move.

[Photoc]

Come to Vegas some time. They allow this in most ring and tournament games that I've played in. Matter of fact, I've never seen someone told otherwise. People do it all the time and I always ask how they liked Doyle's book, lol.

[emonrad87]

After he did that, i would have not showed him my cards and raised.