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RiverBear
01-01-2005, 11:09 PM
abugriffin, on table 96. Anyone else in tonight?

10 minutes into it and I didn't see a post from TimeIsUp...

Tim

modaddy
01-01-2005, 11:13 PM
I'm in as 'txchic' at table 46. Good luck!

Hickboy
01-01-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm in too...table #43

Zinzan
01-01-2005, 11:17 PM
In...

and out. QQ on the button and I raised to 75. Two callers. Flop comes AJx, and I fold to the pot-size raise from guy in BB.

Two hands later, I get AA. "Way too early," I immediately think. I raise again to 75. Two callers again, including same guy that won the last pot (now on button). Flop comes T44, and I bet the pot. He calls. Turn is a K, and he pushes. I call. He had 54s, and I'm done.

Geez, I'm getting beat a lot by guys calling my high pairs with crap. How do I avoid this?

Good luck, the rest of you.

-Z

Lurshy
01-01-2005, 11:21 PM
I'm being dealt cards at table #34, but haven't played yet /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Chief911
01-01-2005, 11:23 PM
Whoops. I'm a moron.

/Kitten Warrior Out

RiverBear
01-01-2005, 11:28 PM
in my limited experience, people have much larger calling criteria early in a tourney. 5BBs doesn't have much meaning--it's only 75 chips. With a monster pair early, you have to raise at least 120 or more chips--probably more. That might mean you're not going to get action, but it's better than going out early to 45s...

MrX
01-01-2005, 11:34 PM
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Geez, I'm getting beat a lot by guys calling my high pairs with crap. How do I avoid this?



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Most efficient way is to stop playing party poker. The bufoons call with anything.

Of course we don't complain when they call all the way to the river with crap, but just seem to remember the bad beats the most.

I had the misfortune of flopping top 2 on the 2nd hand and losing to a set..but managed to only lose 500 chips..what a start.

MrX

The4Aces
01-01-2005, 11:43 PM
havent played a hand past the flop yet t1360

Zinzan
01-01-2005, 11:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
in my limited experience, people have much larger calling criteria early in a tourney. 5BBs doesn't have much meaning--it's only 75 chips. With a monster pair early, you have to raise at least 120 or more chips--probably more. That might mean you're not going to get action, but it's better than going out early to 45s...

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Yeah, I know... I'm trying to figure out the best amount to bet with AA this early in a tourney. Just a couple hours ago in a one-table sit-n-go, I bet 150 with AA. BB calls. Flop is 24J. He checks, I bet pot, he pushes, I call.

Nope, he doesn't turn over a set... he turns over freaking 4-2 suited. Says he doesn't like people to raise his blinds, and always calls if suited. Geez, I would'a loved to still have had chips to play against him! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-Z

RiverBear
01-01-2005, 11:54 PM
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Yeah, I know... I'm trying to figure out the best amount to bet with AA this early in a tourney. Just a couple hours ago in a one-table sit-n-go, I bet 150 with AA. BB calls. Flop is 24J. He checks, I bet pot, he pushes, I call.

Nope, he doesn't turn over a set... he turns over freaking 4-2 suited. Says he doesn't like people to raise his blinds, and always calls if suited. Geez, I would'a loved to still have had chips to play against him! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-Z

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I hear you. What a bummer.

I'm hoping my poker karma comes my way in this tourney. I just lost a S&G to two bad beats in a row. AK against AT (he hits a straight), and then, shortstacked, I push with A7, called with K7, and of course the K comes. I was over a 70% favorite each hand.

Time for the karmic love to come around. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-T

RiverBear
01-01-2005, 11:58 PM
Just got moved. I'm at Table #39 now. t1405...not much going on yet.

The4Aces
01-01-2005, 11:58 PM
abugriffen, i am at your table. KimmyFuto

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:00 AM
America One is a table bully, he raised to 350 pre-flop and i folded my J/q Suited. Was this the correct play?

1RiverQueen
01-02-2005, 12:00 AM
Hi all,

I'm "BR0WNSUGAR" at table-83..."Can I get a hand?"

Hickboy
01-02-2005, 12:01 AM
Eventful first hour....T1510 at first break, still at table #43

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:02 AM
t1585 good for showing up 30 min late. i thought it started now /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lurshy
01-02-2005, 12:05 AM
3215 at the break

Hadn't played any hands past the flop, and only saw the flop three times. Open raised with 78s. Called a reraise. Flop comes 828. I check raised all-in on the flop (reraiser bet pot sized). He shows KK. Turn, River 27 and MHIG.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:06 AM
anyone show any obvious tendencies yet? And the QJs was a good fold.

-T

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:07 AM
I have dude star down as a good player. Nothing on anyone else.n You got anything on them?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:08 AM
not yet.

modaddy
01-02-2005, 12:09 AM
1775 at the break, still at table 46.

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:14 AM
Riverbear, that play right there agianst American was scary. I didnt think he had anything but he raised me and then i raised more and he folded. Lol. He is a total table bully.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:16 AM
What did you have that last hand? And what in the world was America One playing?

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:17 AM
The one that america was playing i had A/K suited, i knew that flop didnt help him but he kept betting it. I was pretty sure i had him beat. i dont remember the other one i had an over pair from the board.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:17 AM
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Riverbear, that play right there agianst American was scary. I didnt think he had anything but he raised me and then i raised more and he folded. Lol. He is a total table bully.

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what did you have? I can't believe he didn't call you down with your t150 bet on a t1645 pot on the river...

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 12:18 AM
I'm in. 3515 just after the break. Flopped a set early and got about 1000 out of it, then busted a ~1800 stack just after the break with AA v. JJ.

Gl all...

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:19 AM
I had A/K suited, he didnt have jackola i could tell from his calls and then min raise on me. I couldnt belive it either. It was probably a bad play by me, but he is horrible.

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:22 AM
So basically i had an Ace high, but from his betting pattern I knew he had nothing or something very weak and would fold. He was just trying to bully me out.

Hickboy
01-02-2005, 12:23 AM
well, i'm done. I had KK, and ran into aces.

good luck to the rest of you.

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:24 AM
RIVERbear LIVED by the river. LOL America one is basically done.

modaddy
01-02-2005, 12:27 AM
cferejohn, are you lordhutty?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:31 AM
Except when he doubled up against The4Aces, who called his KdQh all-in with AKh, and America_One hit the diamond flush.

/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Poker karma, I tell you. Independence of probability is a myth.

-T

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:32 AM
ta, that made me kinda angry /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Zinzan
01-02-2005, 12:32 AM
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Of course we don't complain when they call all the way to the river with crap, but just seem to remember the bad beats the most.

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That doesn't happen, though... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Z

Che
01-02-2005, 12:32 AM
Hit 3 sets in 80 minutes and I'm out. I suck. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

1. Won small/medium pot.
2. Flop checked around. I hit set on turn. Opponent hit gutshot straight on turn. /images/graemlins/frown.gif
3. I hit set of sixes but moron with AA called me down. Wait, he called my all-in PF and hit his set on the flop so my river set just added insult to injury. Whatever.

Good luck to the rest of you,
Che

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 12:33 AM
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cferejohn, are you lordhutty?

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Nope, I'm cleverly hidden as "cferejohn" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

TheTimeIsUp
01-02-2005, 12:35 AM
You can prevent #3 by not pushing pf with 66 /images/graemlins/confused.gif

MrX
01-02-2005, 12:36 AM
[ QUOTE ]
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cferejohn, are you lordhutty?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope, I'm cleverly hidden as "cferejohn" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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rotfl /images/graemlins/grin.gif

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:37 AM
Where were you, man? I had to start the thread without you. Are you in tonight?

Zinzan
01-02-2005, 12:39 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Where were you, man? I had to start the thread without you. Are you in tonight?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, he's cleverly hidden as "cferejohn", too. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Z

1RiverQueen
01-02-2005, 12:47 AM
"BR0WNSUGAR" here got moved to table 45. Nothing too exciting going on t2850.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 12:48 AM
just doubled through when after everyone folded to me I raised 3BBs in SB with 77 and was called by BB. Flop came AA7, checked, he raised the t600 pot with a t1500 bet, I raised all-in, he called with A5. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

t6070 now. Hoping The4Aces can double through a few times to keep my company. Knowing 2+2 is watching keeps me out of trouble.

modaddy
01-02-2005, 12:50 AM
With AKs on the button, you have T2600 and blinds at 75/150.

MP1 (new to the table with T5000) limps . You raise to 250 (probably an underbet). BB (also new to the table, with T2700) reraises to 700.

Call, fold, or push?

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 12:51 AM
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I'm in. 3515 just after the break. Flopped a set early and got about 1000 out of it, then busted a ~1800 stack just after the break with AA v. JJ.


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I'm out. Blinds 75/150. I've got ~3K. Raised KK to 400 in EP preflop. Called immediately by the player to my immediate left who has a slightly larger stack than me. Blinds fold. Flop is K T Q with 2 clubs. I bet 800. Call. Turn is an offsuit 8. I push my remaining 2K (which is roughly the size of the pot), he calls with AJ for a flopped broadway straight. River doesn't pair the board.

Went out thinking I was value betting, and I'm pretty confident that I don't think anyone doesn't lose all their chips there one way or another.

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 12:51 AM
i went all in with short stack with 3s, i knew i was probably beat but i had to take the chance. Oh well maybe next time.

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 12:53 AM
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With AKs on the button, you have T2600 and blinds at 75/150.

MP1 (new to the table with T5000) . You raise to 250 (probably an underbet). BB (also new to the table, with T2700) reraises to 700.

Call, fold, or push?

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With less than 20x the BB, I think folding this to an unknown would be a pretty significant mistake. You can't be afraid of a coinflip here, given that you have overlay and you don't have a lot of time to get a hand. Push.

TheTimeIsUp
01-02-2005, 12:53 AM
My birthday is tomorrow (Jan 2), so I went out to dinner with some friends and hung out a bit afterwards. Won't be here tomorrow either. I passed on this tourney, decided that I would give up 1st place to you this week /images/graemlins/wink.gif
GL in the rest of the MTT!

TheTimeIsUp
01-02-2005, 12:56 AM
How can you raise to 250 with the blinds 75/150?! The min is double, or 300.

Anyways, I would push here. You are most likely at worst 50/50, and could have him dominated. You still need to accumulate chips, and folding isn't an option. I don't like calling here much either. Push push push.

Che
01-02-2005, 12:59 AM
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You can prevent #3 by not pushing pf with 66

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But that's what the system says to do!!! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

modaddy
01-02-2005, 01:07 AM
Sorry, they were 50/100 not 75/150.

Thanks for the input.

I hated commiting my tourney life w/ AK against an unknown at this juncture -- my stack's not THAT unhealthy -- and decided to just call. I missed the flop (Qxx) and folded to his instapush. Call me wussy, but I'm a survivalist...

modaddy
01-02-2005, 01:09 AM
At a sickly 2170, have been card dead for about 30 minutes. Gotta make a move soon. Just got moved to table 14... GL all.

Geoff
01-02-2005, 01:10 AM
2nd break still in..just had bad beat,
TT vs my QQ
he goes all in for 1500ish I've got 6000
I call
ATKJJ RATS but I'm still here.

gl

Lurshy
01-02-2005, 01:10 AM
3572 at 2nd break.

Nothing to memorable, lost AK to a short stack all-in (QQ). Had KK with no action. Took down a couple PF and on flop. Layed down a couple same way.

LurOx Table #34

GL All

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 01:19 AM
A few minutes after the second break, I get rockets and bust a decent-sized stack. Now I'm sitting with t10975. Just got moved to table #4. Anyone here?

benjdm
01-02-2005, 01:43 AM
I'm lurking watching River and lurox.

modaddy
01-02-2005, 02:00 AM
Bah, I'm out. Pushed from MP with 77 and 9BB, SB has KK. GL survivors.

Lurshy
01-02-2005, 02:12 AM
Was card dead, but hanging on with 5K. Decided to resteal with 88. Ran into KK and JJ. No Help, out around 200th

/images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Geoff
01-02-2005, 02:14 AM
Still here, barely.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 02:14 AM
Sitting at table #4 with t14,558. Anyone left? I see txchic, BR0WNSUGAR, and Lurox are all out. Tough break for Lurox. Pushed with 88, got called by JJ and KK (who it a set).

This is where I start to get nervous. Need to keep my patience. I got lucky on the river twice--once when I hit a two-outer to stay alive and then I won a coin toss with AK against a low pocket pair...

Any railbirds?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 02:17 AM
Geoff--what name are you playing under?

Geoff
01-02-2005, 02:19 AM
GStache

Geoff
01-02-2005, 02:37 AM
I'm out. My AK his AQ. Q matches..maybe next time
GL

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 02:39 AM
Blinds are 300/600. MP makes a mini-raise, loosest player at the table calls, I call from the BB with KsQh. t3900 in the pot.

Flop: 9c 4h Th

Raiser puts in 1400, loose player folds, I raise it to 2800, he folds.

Good semi-bluff, or was I just bored? I had just mentioned to my wife that I am worried I'll make a stupid play b/c I hadn't played a hand in about an hour...

What do you think?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 02:43 AM
Big OUCH. Good game. Does that mean I'm the only trout left in the sea?

Geoff
01-02-2005, 02:45 AM
Probably bored, but I don't know stack story. Anyway no big cards came, I'd figure two big...like A QJ. Bubble. Good bet. No?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 02:49 AM
I had t13,658 he had t12,918. Bubble...

Geoff
01-02-2005, 03:04 AM
I like the bet

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 03:16 AM
t22,258, still at table #4. Haven't done this well in a LONG time.

Geoff
01-02-2005, 03:18 AM
I'm watching for a minute. I see there is a 2:30 deal and I have not yet been kicked around enough.

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 04:09 AM
I have idiots at my table--THREE of them, who take up all their time and then fold their hands. EVERY hand. It took us about 20 minutes for the blinds to come around the last time. This is totally ridiculous. Cferejohn suggested reporting them; do you know if Party does anything about this?

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 04:11 AM
Here's the text of the e-mail from Party Poker support:

Dear Tim,

Thank you for contacting us.

We understand your concern about other players playing slowly in a game. We would like for all players to respond immediately, but that sometimes cannot be accomplished. Every player is given 30 seconds to respond and is allowed to take that time.

In addition, we have to consider the players who do not have a high-speed connection and may require additional time to respond.

We cannot force the player to perform his action before the stipulated time. We thank you in advance for your understanding on this matter.


If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to assist you via email.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Santoshi
Poker Customer Care

The4Aces
01-02-2005, 05:16 AM
CONGRATS RIVER

RiverBear
01-02-2005, 05:39 AM
Thanks for all the support, all.

Went out 18th when I pushed my 4BBs from either UTG+1 or early MP (can't remember), holding A8s. Called by BB with KQo. KQ on the flop, and the A on the turn wasn't enough to save me. Being the 60% favorite wasn't quite enough for me.

I can't think of a hand I would've played differently this time around.

G'nite.

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 02:36 PM
Yeah. I got the form letter too. In response I wrote back and clarified that this was clearly intentional and at least one of the players had confirmed that in the chat. After a couple exchanges I got an actual person (rather than a form letter) saying they would look into it and issue a reprimand if it was clearly intentional.

While you are at it, you may want to point out that the way they implemented the "time bank" was totally asinine since it was not combined with a shortening of the regular time to act (as it is a PokerStars).

cferejohn
01-02-2005, 02:37 PM
Nice work. I gave up on watching during the 3-staller death march.