mblax10
01-01-2005, 02:36 AM
This hand didn't seem right to me. I posted the hand history and the e-mail that I sent to support where I listed why I felt their was collusion. What do you think? Does this look odd to anybody else?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #2)</font> calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #2)</font> caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> calls.
Flop: (15.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Colluder #1 bets</font>, Colluder #2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Colluder #1 calls, Colluder #2 calls.
Turn: (10.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Colluder #1 bets</font>, Colluder #2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Colluder #1 folds, Colluder #2 calls.
River: (15.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Colluder #2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Colluder #2 folds.
Final Pot: 16.75 BB
Dear Support,
I would like to report to your team a hand that seemed very strange to me. Hand #xxxxxx on January 1, 2005 at apx. 1:50 AM EST.
The actions of Colluder #1 and Colluder #2 seemed peculiar. Even though I benefited greatly if in fact these 2 players were working together, I would’ve hated to be driven out of the hand by these two, or to not report the incident just because I won a large pot. I didn’t notice any other hands where these 2 players may be teaming up, but that dosen’t mean it didn’t happen. I was 4 tabling at the time, and was not focused on every hand at this table. Below I listed the reasons that this hand drew my attention.
1.I raise the button, and it is raised and capped before it gets back to me. At $1/$2 I rarely see 1 player limp re-raise, nonetheless 2 on the same hand.
2.At one point in the hand, either after I raise the flop or the turn, both players receive a warning for taking too much time, possibly instant messaging to figure out what there next move is.
3.Colluder #1 bets the turn than folds to my raise (In and of itself this is not out of the ordinary. He could have Kings or Queens how he played the hand.)
4.Colluder #2 folds a $30 pot for 1 bet on the river. There are bad players at this level who will fold big pots for 1 bet, but I can’t figure a single hand that could play the hand how Colluder #2 did, get to the river and fold. If he has Kings or Ten’s if he gets to the river, most people will call. If he had some sort of suited connector and was jamming pre-flop what hand would get to the river and not have a hand worth calling 1 bet, Kc9c? 2 little clubs, that capped the flop for some reason?
5.On top of all of this, one player is from Hinsdale one from Naperville. These are both Chicago suburbs so I believe it improves the chances of these players working together.
I’m sure your team will investigate this incident further and come to a better conclusion than I can after seeing what cards they actually had and these players histories.
Thanks for your time, and keep up the good work,
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #2)</font> calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #2)</font> caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 <font color="#A500AF">(Colluder #1)</font> calls.
Flop: (15.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Colluder #1 bets</font>, Colluder #2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Colluder #1 calls, Colluder #2 calls.
Turn: (10.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Colluder #1 bets</font>, Colluder #2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Colluder #1 folds, Colluder #2 calls.
River: (15.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Colluder #2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Colluder #2 folds.
Final Pot: 16.75 BB
Dear Support,
I would like to report to your team a hand that seemed very strange to me. Hand #xxxxxx on January 1, 2005 at apx. 1:50 AM EST.
The actions of Colluder #1 and Colluder #2 seemed peculiar. Even though I benefited greatly if in fact these 2 players were working together, I would’ve hated to be driven out of the hand by these two, or to not report the incident just because I won a large pot. I didn’t notice any other hands where these 2 players may be teaming up, but that dosen’t mean it didn’t happen. I was 4 tabling at the time, and was not focused on every hand at this table. Below I listed the reasons that this hand drew my attention.
1.I raise the button, and it is raised and capped before it gets back to me. At $1/$2 I rarely see 1 player limp re-raise, nonetheless 2 on the same hand.
2.At one point in the hand, either after I raise the flop or the turn, both players receive a warning for taking too much time, possibly instant messaging to figure out what there next move is.
3.Colluder #1 bets the turn than folds to my raise (In and of itself this is not out of the ordinary. He could have Kings or Queens how he played the hand.)
4.Colluder #2 folds a $30 pot for 1 bet on the river. There are bad players at this level who will fold big pots for 1 bet, but I can’t figure a single hand that could play the hand how Colluder #2 did, get to the river and fold. If he has Kings or Ten’s if he gets to the river, most people will call. If he had some sort of suited connector and was jamming pre-flop what hand would get to the river and not have a hand worth calling 1 bet, Kc9c? 2 little clubs, that capped the flop for some reason?
5.On top of all of this, one player is from Hinsdale one from Naperville. These are both Chicago suburbs so I believe it improves the chances of these players working together.
I’m sure your team will investigate this incident further and come to a better conclusion than I can after seeing what cards they actually had and these players histories.
Thanks for your time, and keep up the good work,