JT in the SB

[edtost]

CO is LAG-bad, MP3 seems weak, but he sat down like 2 orbits ago, so he may just be running bad.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO folds.

River: (9.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

I was planning on folding the river unimproved. Should I have just check-folded the turn?

Also, should this be a fold preflop?

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Also, should this be a fold preflop?

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Duh.

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[Evan]

This is a clear PF fold as far as I'm concerned.

I like the flop and the turn.

Did you know you made 2 pair on the river?

[Tosh]

Fold preflop and bet the river.

[edtost]

yes. i was planning on folding a non-(jack,ten) river.

[Evan]

Regardless of what your plan was, why did you check-call the river?

[scrub]

I don't understand why you would consider check/folding the river after all that, especially against someone who you think sucks.

I'm also puzzled by your river check--were you planning on checkraising and then got gun shy?

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[edtost]

because i suck.

[Evan]

echo.....echo.....echo

[Evan]

The funny thing is that you managed to misplay the 2 easy streets and correctly play the ones that I'd expect most people to fu[/i]ck up.

[edtost]

when weakish players call 2 cold on the flop and then don't fold the turn, i get scared when my two pair card completes straight and flush draws. obviously, this thinking was incorrect.

[scrub]

Also, what are you two juvenile delinquents doing posting on New Year's Eve instead of committing hepatocide?

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[Evan]

That's awful. Don't say things like that. I am sad now.

For Christ's sake, it was a backdoor flush and a very not obvious gutshot straight.

That's weak dude.

[scrub]

It's because Ed comes from an NL background.

There he wouldn't have enough on this river to bet.

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[edtost]

because we were away for the past week, and thus out of the loop when plans for tonight were being made. what's you excuse, grandpa?

[scrub]

What you should have been thinking was "sweet, not only did I suck out on top pair, but the straight draw is going to get stuck calling with mid pair."

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[Evan]

It's only 8:30. You know that I can't stay conscious while drinking for more than 20 minutes, so I can't start too early.

That being said I am going out sometime in the immediate future.

Ed, I was thinking Katonah Grill maybe, bueno?

[scrub]

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because we were away for the past week, and thus out of the loop when plans for tonight were being made. what's you excuse, grandpa?

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Old age.../images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[edtost]

its a distinct possibility. i am currently sucking at poker, so going out is beginning to sound like a good idea.

[scrub]

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because we were away for the past week, and thus out of the loop when plans for tonight were being made. what's you excuse, grandpa?

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Speaking of plans--you guys want to go to Foxwoods sometime this week?

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[edtost]

headed back to school on monday - how about nyc or the borg?

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i am currently sucking at poker

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Currently?

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[edtost]

i am currently playing, and i suck at poker.

better?

[scrub]

Borg takes way more energy for me to do--I might be up for one more swing down there, though.

I might head into NYC sometime this week to shop with my little sister. I could probably hang around and play later if I had a place to crash.

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[Evan]

I'd rather go to AC in case there aren't enough "apparently blind security gaurds" at FW. I've always been a hesitant to got here since there's nothing else to do if I get turned down. In AC we could at elast go to the Trop or something.

I would like to go to FW at some point though, so maybe.

You wanna go to NYC at some point too?

[scrub]

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i am currently playing, and i suck at poker.

better?

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Yes.

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(also, do you think we can get the flame for this post all by ourselves?)

[Evan]

Lemme know when you're going to the city. You can stay at my apartment if you want. I think my roommate is away so you could get the luxury of sleeping in a bed rather than a small ass couch.

[Evan]

Seriously, this fact that this thread is this long with only the 3 of us posting in it is pretty sad (so is the way Ed played that hand).

[edtost]

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(also, do you think we can get the flame for this post all by ourselves?)

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without question.

[edtost]

the floor is more comfortable than that couch, which must be like 4 feet long. of course, that means evan fits perfectly on it.

[edtost]

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The funny thing is that you managed to misplay the 2 easy streets and correctly play the ones that I'd expect most people to [censored] up.

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I was just trying to maximize the time i spent headsup with the bad lag, and fold out the weakie. i got flustered when it didn't go according to plan.

[Evan]

Its also only like 3 feet wide, which means half of Ed's ass fits perfectly on it too.

If you guys both stay I'll be a sweetheart and sleep on the couch.

[edtost]

that's why you're my boy, blue.

[edtost]

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(also, do you think we can get the flame for this post all by ourselves?)

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also, how long can the 3 of us keep this atop the ss queue?

[Evan]

Long enough for me to get 3k posts by the end of the year?

[edtost]

we may have to actually come up with a topic of conversation for that to happen.

[Evan]

gpo's long term career plans?

That should carry me through to 2988 or so.

[edtost]

he's not a pro, he just hasn't found a job yet.

NEXT!

[scrub]

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gpo's long term career plans?

That should carry me through to 2988 or so.

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Nice.

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[scrub]

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Its also only like 3 feet wide, which means half of Ed's ass fits perfectly on it too.


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Nicer.

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[scrub]

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he's not a pro, he just hasn't found a job yet.

NEXT!

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Nicest.

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[Evan]

high content posts rule.

(1 closer to 3 k)

[edtost]

or, if we believe his facebook profile:

"I'm pretty apathetic these days. Trying to figure out what I want to do when I grow up. I think I'll work on figuring it out in California."

Sounds like GPO has decided to turn into the dude.

[scrub]

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I'd rather go to AC in case there aren't enough "apparently blind security gaurds" at FW. I've always been a hesitant to got here since there's nothing else to do if I get turned down. In AC we could at elast go to the Trop or something.

I would like to go to FW at some point though, so maybe.

You wanna go to NYC at some point too?

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If you can't get into FW, we can drive over to Mohegan and wait for the guard's shift to change while getting barbecue.

The games are better in NJ, but there's something about the texture of the FW 20/40 that keeps me much more interested than AC. I also have a lot of fun playing in it and listening to the miserable bastards that play in it every day needle each other for hours on end.

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[scrub]

Scrub abides.

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[Evan]

okay, i got a topic...let's talk about why facebook is gay.

My submission: It just is, and its not even close.

[Evan]

Okay, I'm up for it. Since you're here now you're gonna be the "east coast point man" on this one.

[private joker]

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when weakish players call 2 cold on the flop and then don't fold the turn, i get scared when my two pair card completes straight and flush draws. obviously, this thinking was incorrect.

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Just to rescue this from the more amusing hijack, I think this reasoning, as weak as it is, proves you should bet the river and call a raise instead of check-raising and getting 3-bet by a better hand. But check-raising would be dumb anyway because there's no reason to think he'd bet if checked to.

This is an easy river bet -- calling a raise is also easy.

[edtost]

because it isn't as good for wasting time as 2+2, and that's really its only use.

do you see why?

[scrub]

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okay, i got a topic...let's talk about why facebook is gay.

My submission: It just is, and its not even close.

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Spoken like a guy who isn't old enough yet to wonder if that hot girl from his 10:00 am class is single.

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[Evan]

When's the last time any of us went to a 10 am class?

Mine was a while ago since I've stopped allowing classes to enter my schedule if they start in a time followed by "AM".

[scrub]

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Okay, I'm up for it. Since you're here now you're gonna be the "east coast point man" on this one.

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Since I'm here?

I ended up being "east coast point man" from the west coast, too... /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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[edtost]

like any of us have been to a 10am class in the recent past. (this counts last year for you)

[Evan]

Blow me.

That is all.

[scrub]

Yeah, I figured that was coming.

I like how you just let the fact that you spend far too little time getting laid for a college kid pass unchallenged.

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[edtost]

that was only because you're the only one old enough to have a borgata card to make a reservation with.

[edtost]

as i've said to him before: he isn't a fat bastard, and therefore the fact that he gets laid less often than me is sad.

[edtost]

i somehow allowed myself to schedule a 9am lecture in an elective next semester. that class is going to be very highly attended by me, i'm sure.

[Evan]

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...the fact that he gets laid less often than me...

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Dude, I talk about it less than you. Let's not jump to any conclusions here.

[scrub]

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like any of us have been to a 10am class in the recent past. (this counts last year for you)

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Fair enough.

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[Evan]

So you suck at poker and life. Awesome.

[edtost]

is this like, news to you?

[scrub]

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...the fact that he gets laid less often than me...

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Dude, I talk about it less than you. Let's not jump to any conclusions here.

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All I can say is that when we were looking for Ed's EZ-pass in his laptop case and found his "Ed gets laid" kit, I was extremely surprised.

And sort of grossed out by the anal beads.

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[Evan]

Does the fact that the "kit" was packed with his computer lead you to belive that his getting laid more of a singular effort than he might want you to think?

[edtost]

looking through the bag again now, i still can't figure out what it was that you misconstrued as "anal beads".

its really sad that none of us have anything better to do than post in this thread, btw. might i suggest .5/1 stud/8?

[scrub]

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when weakish players call 2 cold on the flop and then don't fold the turn, i get scared when my two pair card completes straight and flush draws. obviously, this thinking was incorrect.

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Just to rescue this from the more amusing hijack, I think this reasoning, as weak as it is, proves you should bet the river and call a raise instead of check-raising and getting 3-bet by a better hand. But check-raising would be dumb anyway because there's no reason to think he'd bet if checked to.

This is an easy river bet -- calling a raise is also easy.

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I love the sudden strategy interjection...

Are you the guy we played Stud8 with that night?

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[Evan]

we made up the anal beads dude.

Andrew's coming over and we're leaving soon so no stud/8 for me. Why the fu[/i]ck aren't you coming?

[scrub]

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Does the fact that the "kit" was packed with his computer lead you to belive that his getting laid more of a singular effort than he might want you to think?

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If so, he must be really worried about where his hand has been...

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[Evan]

hahahaha. well said.

[private joker]

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I love the sudden strategy interjection...

Are you the guy we played Stud8 with that night?

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1) strategy legitimizes this thread
2) I refuse to answer that on the grounds that it might in-fish-inate me.
3) I'd play stud/8 (again?) except it is now 6:30 on New Year's Eve and in a couple hours I will go out to a gigantic downtown L.A. party and find girls of questionable morals &amp; of feverish drunken capacity to make out with at midnight.

[edtost]

although yours and andrew's couldn't give less [censored] if they tried, for some odd reason, my parents don't want me out driving on new year's eve. wierd.

[scrub]

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looking through the bag again now, i still can't figure out what it was that you misconstrued as "anal beads".

its really sad that none of us have anything better to do than post in this thread, btw. might i suggest .5/1 stud/8?

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I'm on a really crappy connection, so no Stud8 for me.

Plus, I'm about to start my New Years ritual of watching rented movies with my parents and eating too much. Damn I'm cool.../images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[edtost]

dude. you and evan leaving this thread is gonna make getting that flame much more diffucult.

[scrub]

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hahahaha. well said.

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I'd be worried--the right one, particularly, looks like it's been around the block a few times.

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[scrub]

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dude. you and evan leaving this thread is gonna make getting that flame much more diffucult.

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How close are we?

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[Evan]

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Plus, I'm about to start my New Years ritual of watching rented movies with my parents and eating too much.

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Are you serious dude?

[Evan]

24 to a flame and 1 more to 3k for me

[edtost]

apparently we need 25 more. this could prove difficult.

[private joker]

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apparently we need 25 more. this could prove difficult.

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I would do my best but at this point I'm a rank amateur and silent observer.

23...

[scrub]

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although yours and andrew's couldn't give less [censored] if they tried, for some odd reason, my parents don't want me out driving on new year's eve. wierd.

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This is why you guys should have called me from Myrtle Beach and figured out a New Year's plan that didn't involve being home.

That being said, I'm a stodgy old man and probably would have opted for home anyway. Every time I go do something "fun" I end up passed out somewhere and wake up the next morning with a headache trying to figure out where I left my pants.

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[scrub]

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Plus, I'm about to start my New Years ritual of watching rented movies with my parents and eating too much.

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Are you serious dude?

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I've got a bottle of Dom and Barton Fink.

I'm dead serious.../images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[Evan]

you're welcome to come if you want.

(for the record I can't remember where in CT you live so if that idea is ridiculous since you're really far away then forget it i suppose /images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[scrub]

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apparently we need 25 more. this could prove difficult.

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I would do my best but at this point I'm a rank amateur and silent observer.

23...

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Now you're getting the hang of it!

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[scrub]

[ QUOTE ]
you're welcome to come if you want.

(for the record I can't remember where in CT you live so if that idea is ridiculous since you're really far away then forget it i suppose /images/graemlins/grin.gif)

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I actually chose to do this instead of a bunch of things more appealing than driving to Westchester and getting killed by a drunk on the way.../images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[private joker]

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Now you're getting the hang of it!



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I'll leave it for others to elaborate. Do you see why?

[edtost]

speaking of which, we should post a MB trip report. preferably in one of the strategy forums.

[scrub]

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Now you're getting the hang of it!



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I'll leave it for others to elaborate. Do you see why?

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Great post.

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[Evan]

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I actually chose to do this instead of a bunch of things more appealing than driving to Westchester and getting killed by a drunk on the way

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I don't blame you for this.

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I actually chose to do this

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I do blame you for this.

[edtost]

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Now you're getting the hang of it!



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I'll leave it for others to elaborate. Do you see why?

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Great post.

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[scrub]

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speaking of which, we should post a MB trip report. preferably in one of the strategy forums.

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I vote for Mid/High. There are about 5 threads on the front page there less on topic than this one.

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[Evan]

i was planning on writing one at some point this weekend, but feel free to take charge of that since I could use a little more free time. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[edtost]

i was thinking stud or plo, so it could stay on the main page for a week or so even without any replies.

[scrub]

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Now you're getting the hang of it!



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I'll leave it for others to elaborate. Do you see why?

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Great post.

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And, finally, since this is SS:

Bisonbison is a glowing god. All new posters must die.

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[edtost]

as our borg reports proved, these things are much funnier when written in groups. how about tomorrow morning (ie sometime before sunset)?

[private joker]

Bet the river?

[scrub]

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I do blame you for this.

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Sfer is the only person whose New Year's plans I'm jealous of.

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[edtost]

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Now you're getting the hang of it!



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I'll leave it for others to elaborate. Do you see why?

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Great post.

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And, finally, since this is SS:

Bisonbison is a glowing god. All new posters must die.

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isn't it about time for him to make a "off-topic cathartically wierd post" in this thread?

[Evan]

i plan on being semi-hungover. if you show up at my house at some point i'm up for it.

[private joker]

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isn't it about time for him to make a "off-topic cathartically wierd post" in this thread?

[/ QUOTE ]

Possibly in the vein of "this thread isn't going to flame itself"

[scrub]

[ QUOTE ]
Bet the river?

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Was she a floater?

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[edtost]

sadly enough, he isn't the only one i know who's lucky enough to be going there. i'm highly jealous of them all.

[Evan]

sfer's away message right now is "Being sick is fun." I'm not that jealous.

[edtost]

or was it dave trying his hardest to act like a floater, with a tie around his head?

[private joker]

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isn't it about time for him to make a "off-topic cathartically wierd post" in this thread?

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Possibly in the vein of "this thread isn't going to flame itself"

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Fittingly, I think this post (or the one following it) got the flame.

[Evan]

i'm done posting for this year. good night to all.

happy new year everyone.

[scrub]

Way to read the body anyway, Fish.

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[edtost]

FLAME!!!!!!!!!

[edtost]

way to get all your posting in drawing dead fish.

[scrub]

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i'm done posting for this year. good night to all.

happy new year everyone.

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Same here.

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[edtost]

does anyone actually use threaded mode to be able to skip over this?

[private joker]

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does anyone actually use threaded mode to be able to skip over this?

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If you use collapsed-flat, you can still skip over this without having to use the dreaded horrific threaded mode. Why would someone use expanded? That's pure suicide.

[private joker]

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I will go out to a gigantic downtown L.A. party and find girls of questionable morals &amp; of feverish drunken capacity to make out with at midnight.

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Mission f--kin' accomplished... she was a red-hot little Korean number named Alice who left her date downstairs and nearly bit off my lower lip in the bathroom. Alice had very questionable ethics indeed.

"And the sh!t that came out of this girl's mouth I ain't never heard," as Tyler Durden might say. But Alice doesn't play poker so I think I'll throw her digits away.

I'm so hammered right now it's not even funny.. my firsst inebriated 2+2 post. but I'm an old hand now so I can get away with it.

happy new year my Taggy friends...