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Anders_G
12-30-2004, 12:01 PM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Average 2/4-game I'd say.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Should I bet the river for value?
IndieMatty
12-30-2004, 12:22 PM
I would not, a lesser hand is not calling this river bet. I see typical Party 2-4, and UTG has some A3o junk.
gaming_mouse
12-30-2004, 12:30 PM
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I would not, a lesser hand is not calling this river bet. I see typical Party 2-4, and UTG has some A3o junk.

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Hmmm... I'm not sure, since he bet out on the flop after Hero's PF raise. This says to me he connected with the 7 or 5. If he had an ace kicker, he would have raised the turn (probably).

I think I would value bet this, folding to a raise without hesitation.

Though I admit it is close and you may be right.

gm
Drizztdj
12-30-2004, 12:32 PM
I don't see a reason why you'd bet it. What else would call you down to the river besides a PP?
IndieMatty
12-30-2004, 12:33 PM
GM, you're pulling a "me".. (I routinely misread hands) BB bet out on the flop, and then folded to the turn. UTG+1 is sticking around, and I'm not likely to put him just on a rag club draw with no King or Ace...and if he is he's just going to fold. So there is no point in betting this.
GoblinMason (Craig)
12-30-2004, 12:57 PM
I think BB calls a lot on the river probably with a 7, 5 or PP, especially since he bet the flop. I would definitely bet the river in this situation against the average 2/4 palyer. I really think you'd show a profit in the long run.
Fabian
12-30-2004, 04:55 PM
I would check behind on this river. If the flush didn't get there I would probably bet.