10-17-2001, 02:31 PM
Everyone seems to talk about teams playing on paradise.
I was wondering just how much you think colluders are taking "extra" out of a game.
ie, if you have two expert players at the same table, each of whom earn a standard 1BB/hr, what kind of increase in the hourly rate can they gain by fairly undetectable collusion. ie, not pumping and then folding when it's heads-up.
I'd think it's not all that much maybe 20%? but that's just a pure guess on my part, but I don't think profitable situations for colluders occur every hand. Many times, it's fold - fold for the partners. Or one player see's that his partner folded two offsuit cards so his flush draw is now a 9/45 chance of hitting instead of a 9/47. Another example, I don't think it's profitable for one colluder to play anyhand just to pump when his partner has less than QQ, b/c the cost of playing any two cards is so reduced, thus I think the big money makers are where one player has the best hand and the other player has the best draw and they can pump w/ value going to both hands, but I don't think that is a common situation(and given the right # of opponents, it's a play made by non-colluders as well).
Any thoughts?
I was wondering just how much you think colluders are taking "extra" out of a game.
ie, if you have two expert players at the same table, each of whom earn a standard 1BB/hr, what kind of increase in the hourly rate can they gain by fairly undetectable collusion. ie, not pumping and then folding when it's heads-up.
I'd think it's not all that much maybe 20%? but that's just a pure guess on my part, but I don't think profitable situations for colluders occur every hand. Many times, it's fold - fold for the partners. Or one player see's that his partner folded two offsuit cards so his flush draw is now a 9/45 chance of hitting instead of a 9/47. Another example, I don't think it's profitable for one colluder to play anyhand just to pump when his partner has less than QQ, b/c the cost of playing any two cards is so reduced, thus I think the big money makers are where one player has the best hand and the other player has the best draw and they can pump w/ value going to both hands, but I don't think that is a common situation(and given the right # of opponents, it's a play made by non-colluders as well).
Any thoughts?