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UOPokerPlayer
12-29-2004, 08:08 PM
***** Hand History for Game 1364322160 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:8250029 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, December 29, 19:00:45 EDT 2004
Table Super Qualifier #249502 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: RoboNer ( $770 )
Seat 3: iahkid ( $800 )
Seat 5: BLD222 ( $775 )
Seat 6: jg1219 ( $775 )
Seat 8: Dileas ( $760 )
Seat 10: papagorgio21 ( $955 )
Seat 9: IamPootie ( $785 )
Seat 1: davidkohlmye ( $770 )
Seat 4: cblues ( $840 )
Seat 7: wepion84 ( $770 )
Trny:8250029 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IamPootie [ Qs Kh ]
davidkohlmye folds.
RoboNer folds.
iahkid raises [45].
cblues folds.
BLD222 calls [45].
jg1219 folds.
wepion84 folds.
Dileas calls [45].
IamPootie calls [35].
papagorgio21 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 5c, Kd ]
IamPootie checks.
iahkid checks.
BLD222 checks.
Dileas bets [100].
IamPootie raises [300].
iahkid is all-In [755]
BLD222 folds.
Dileas folds.
Iampootie???

I wanted to fold pf, but thought i'd play my pot odds for 2pair or better, then i find my self checkraising almost half of my stack. Any different way to play this? Better question, what's the right way to play this.

triplc
12-29-2004, 09:07 PM
Fold preflop.

The all-in reraise is tougher, but you've gotten yourself here so you might need to call this at this point and hope he's got JJ, QQ or something similar. The trouble is...the player who made the orginal bet might have you beat, too.

From an odds perspective, the best you can hope for is that if you call, the better behind you calls, and you might have 3-5 outs to win the hand. Or, you might be dead. You have no other hands to make except trips, two pair or a full house. 5 outs max...

Sorry, man (or woman...don't mean to presuppose)...this may be the kindest response you get...

Play well,

CCC

syka16
12-29-2004, 10:10 PM
[ QUOTE ]

I wanted to fold pf, but thought i'd play my pot odds for 2pair or better,

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you misread the board?

willperkins
12-29-2004, 10:21 PM
IMHO, you can play this two ways.

1. Since it is early in the tourney and you are already in the pot for t10 and it will only cost you t35 more, you could call due to the 4.4 to 1 pot odds that are being offered.

I would not have check raised. I would have bet about half the pot (t100), to help define my hand. If someone comes over the top of me or/and someone else pushes, as in this example, I would let the pot go.

I will give one of these two credit for having AA, AK, KK, or QQ all of which have me dominated.

It is still early in tourney, I still have plenty of chips in realion to the blinds.

2. You are facing a raise and two more that cold called in front of you. You have a classic trap hand (KQ) and will be out of position on every round of betting. Fold preflop.

raptor517
12-29-2004, 10:31 PM
fold preflop. i dont even limp with kq. its the plague.

adanthar
12-29-2004, 10:40 PM
Folding KQ PF when you can limp in is kinda bad but marginally acceptable. Folding it out of position to a raise is mandatory.

I've no clue why you decided to call (the 27 to 1 odds on 2 pair not being a good excuse), but since you did, this is a bet/fold, not a CR. A CR leaves you far less chips or folding room.

Sidekick
12-29-2004, 10:59 PM
I do not call a preflop raise with KQ (suited or not) early in a tournament. Being out of position made this preflop call even worse IMO.

Since you DID call the raise, then I would lead out on the flop with about a 2/3 of the pot bet. If anyone comes over the top, especially the preflop raiser, then I am letting this hand go.

KQ early and out of position is usually a trouble hand. You sometimes win a few chips, sometimes a lot, but it often costs you a lot of chips as well. Calling a preflop raise with KQ offsuit out of position will generally just cost you chips that you need later in the tournament.

Not trying to be rude or harsh, but just offering my opinion here.

captZEEbo1
12-29-2004, 11:18 PM
100% fold preflop. After flop, you pretty much screwed yourself, after the reraise of your check-raise it's an easy fold...he probably has AK or AA, SLIM chance he has AJs or AQs on flush draw. I don't really know how'd I'd play it on the flop, because I just wouldn't be in that situation in the first place...