Taking one off

[Alexthegreat]

Live 2/4, fairly loose and passive game.

EP takes his hands too far, but isn't ridiculous or anything. MP is a loose/passive old lady who also takes her hands too far. She isn't ridiculous either.

I get 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif in the CO.

3 limpers to me, I raise, Button goes all in for 3-bets, one blind calls, the limpers call, I call....

5 live players...

Flop
A /images/graemlins/spade.gif4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif:Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Blind checks EP bets, MP calls, one fold, I call, Blind folds.

Turn
7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villian bets, MP calls, I raise, both call

River
6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Checked to me, I chicken out and check.

My question is if my call on the flop was okay, or chip spewing. I would have folded the turn unimproved. And I know I should bet the river.

[TripleH68]

Since you do not hold the 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif you should discount your two outs a little. This weakens your draw, plus you can't reasonably expect to make much more when you hit, especially if you hit the 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif and no one holds the flush. Therefore it seems the real odds are less than the actual odds of hitting...fold.

[Alexthegreat]

I would play the turn the same if the 7 was a spade. MP calling the raise threw me off a little. I really expected her to fold to my raise, and when she called and the flush came, I clamed up. When I decided to call the flop I didn't figure either player to be on the spade draw. Does this make it any better??

If I held the 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif does it make it any better??

[TripleH68]

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I would play the turn the same if the 7 was a spade. MP calling the raise threw me off a little. I really expected her to fold to my raise, and when she called and the flush came, I clamed up. When I decided to call the flop I didn't figure either player to be on the spade draw. Does this make it any better??

If I held the 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif does it make it any better??

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Your draw is obviously stronger if you hold the 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif because you don't have to worry about a flush when you hit on the turn. Even so your odds of hitting the 7 are 22.5:1 and you are getting pot odds of only 17:1. You need to be sure you can make up the additional bets after you hit, plus you could still lose to a flush draw on the river. Not the best of situations. Peeling off one SB is not a big deal, but hitting your hand and losing more bets drags down the profitability of your call. (This is all taking for granted you are behind on the flop).

[pindawg]

If you had position on them and it was checked to you on the river as you were saying, I'd definately bet the river. Check/call form early position.

Yes I think it is weak to check this river given your position.


NM what i said, I thought you were asking about the river