Is Party's Bad Beat Jackpot Softening $5-10?

[ChicagoTroy]

I know I have posted about how much $5-10 full sucks on Party, but perusing the bad beat tables last night I was struck by how many $5-10 games were running. I played them for a while and was stunned by some of the loose crappy play I saw. Of course the sample size is too small, but the number of tables running had me thinking the big jackpot had drawn some of the $5-10 fish out of the 6-max game and they brought their LP game with them.

Anybody else notice this? I'm going to miss these tables when I go back to Empire for rake rebates (I'm clearing bonuses on Party).

[MicroBob]

wouldn't surprise a bit if your analysis was spot-on since there are no 6-max BBJ tables.

I find that the 15/30 BBJ tables are lots of fun....but with the JP drop and lack of rakeback I can't be getting that much value out of it compared with regular 15/30 on empire.
Still, I'm winning a ton on the 15/30 BBJ tables these days. Even though I know it's just because I'm getting terrific cards it still makes it difficult to tear myself away.


There are obviously a lot of players who are a bit timid to step up from the 3/6 level....and understandably so.

5/10 full is too tight.
5/10 6-max is too crazy.
15/30 full is a good game but it's too much of a jump.

I suggest that stepping up to the 5/10 BBJ tables might be the best way to do it...particularly when the JP is nice and big (as it is now...$276k and climbing).

[ChicagoTroy]

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5/10 full is too tight.
5/10 6-max is too crazy.
15/30 full is a good game but it's too much of a jump.

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I think that's it.

How are you finding the bad beat $15-30 different from standard? I dabbled in it the other day and really liked it.

[MicroBob]

Mostly better at 15/30 BBJ....but, as I said, I've been running insanely well (8BB/100). I've also been running REALLY badly on the non-BBJ tables.
So my view is admittedly VERY skewed.


when I go to a 'regular' 15/30 I almost immediately recognize 2 or 3 2+2'ers who I really don't want to be sitting-in with.

I am on 1 BBJ table which is ungodly tight right now which really surprises me. Only one player with V-30+. Table average (not including my numbers) of V-18, R-7.
1 or 2 more orbits for a fish or two to stand-out....and if not then I'm audi-5000.


i have another table with a guy who is 77/18 (V/R) after 22 hands. Same table has a 37/18/211 (V/R/hds) and a 55/26/58 and a 37/7/147.
Just had 5 players join me in a capped pot PF while I held AA.
Got an A on the flop and the board paired-up on the river and the 77/18 guy tried to bluff-raise me on the river (and I was the one who capped). He folded to my re-raise so I didn't get to see what he was holding.


My 3rd table has players who are 34/12, 43/9, 36/13 and 34/12.

Anyway, yes....fishy players a plenty and I think they are more abundant than the regular 15/30 tables.

Plus....I get to dream about hitting the big JP hand!!

[sfer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Claims as the to the general suckiness of Party 5/10 full games (and, correspondingly Party 10/20 full) are vastly overstated. They're just not as plentiful as at every other limit.

[ChicagoTroy]

Could you elaborate? I think I have an idea of what constitutes a crappy game, and those two certainly qualify.

By elaborate, I mean, are you playing it significantly differently from $3-6, or extra tight, or making not-obvious adjustments?

[MicroBob]

This is somewhat true too.
I've played on some party 5/10 full (non-BBJ) that played very similarly to party 3/6.
All it takes is for one or two roaming fish to land on one of these tables to make it a pretty good game.

SOMETIMES the 5/10 full can be pretty tight....but I think the same can be said of party 3/6 and 15/30 also.

[sfer]

What I mean, is that the games can be pretty similar to Party 3/6, except that there are usually other decent players sitting with you (I think this is happening more at 3/6 recently as well). The difference is that you can pretty much sit indiscriminantly at almost any 3/6 table and find enough nitwits to make playing worthwhile, and that is not the case at 5/10 and 10/20. Further, the "bad" tables at 5/10 and 10/20 are full of tight players, but not necessarily players with good postflop skills.

[ChicagoTroy]

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the "bad" tables at 5/10 and 10/20 are full of tight players, but not necessarily players with good postflop skills.

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I figured this might be what you meant, I call those players "Poker Tracker TAGs." They have a VP$IP of 18, Agg 2.5, and can't figure out why that alone doesn't have them winning.

BTW, I left out the movie "Neither Dick nor Ass" from the Mr. Show taint film references yesterday. That is some funny [censored].

[sfer]

These are the days.

Anyway, there are still many times where several 5/10 and 10/20 will basically play identically to a good 3/6 table. And it happens almost every night.

[SeanSkill]

Just had 5 players join me in a capped pot PF while I held AA.
Got an A on the flop and the board paired-up on the river and the 77/18 guy tried to bluff-raise me on the river (and I was the one who capped). He folded to my re-raise so I didn't get to see what he was holding.


The tables your talking about are not even in my neighborhood, but this story brought a tear to my eye.

[lefty rosen]

Bob that is so funny and true. I used to play live and losing upto 400 dollars never fazed me (5/10). Now if I lose 100 2 or 3 tabling 1/2 and I go batshit.......... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lefty rosen]

Wow that sounds like your average .5/1 table........ /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lefty rosen]

Dont you mean brick board freezer uppers.........

[lefty rosen]

Dude games at 1 in the morning EST at Party are like idiot 2/4 games or 1/2 games at Party.......