To Draw or Not To Draw

[UOPokerPlayer]

***** Hand History for Game 1354744515 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:8194860 Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Monday, December 27, 15:17:02 EDT 2004
Table Multi-Table(184539) Table #36 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mn_vampire ( $1195 )
Seat 2: hmotes ( $975 )
Seat 3: BrinkBrown ( $1105 )
Seat 5: Chrome147 ( $2080 )
Seat 6: Alley_Cat ( $1420 )
Seat 8: IamPootie ( $945 )
Seat 10: joeyjoey ( $2295 )
Seat 7: ToddJeffreys ( $890 )
Seat 4: rock350 ( $1075 )
Seat 9: TbirdJap ( $995 )
Trny:8194860 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IamPootie [ Jc Ts ]
mn_vampire folds.
hmotes folds.
BrinkBrown folds.
rock350 folds.
Chrome147 folds.
Alley_Cat calls [20].
ToddJeffreys calls [20].
IamPootie calls [20].
TbirdJap calls [10].
joeyjoey checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 6d, 9h ]
TbirdJap bets [20].
joeyjoey calls [20].
Alley_Cat calls [20].
ToddJeffreys calls [20].
IamPootie calls [20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
TbirdJap checks.
joeyjoey bets [30].
Alley_Cat folds.
>You have options at Multi-Table(184538) Table #44 Table!.
ToddJeffreys folds.
IamPootie calls [30].
TbirdJap calls [30].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
TbirdJap checks.
joeyjoey checks.
IamPootie checks.

Sorry I couldn't get the hand converter to work. I'm getting the right price to call here, (am i correct to think that?). But I could as well be drawing dead or to fewer outs. Also I think TPFAP is going off in my head when Sklansky talks about not drawing even when you're getting about correct odds. The "Find a better spot" Mantra. It's a little weak-tight to go the TJ Cloutier route and say draws are death. I want to get multi-way, i did, but i think this takes away any folding equity. I don't feel like I can play this any other way, and most of the time i'm just bleeding away chunks of my stack. Comments appreciated.

[shummie]

Pro for your draw here: you have TJ. If Q comes off, you have a deceptive straight. If a 7 comes off, you might get called by another T or god-forbid a 5.

Con for your draw here: there is a flush draw also. What happens when the 7 or Q of diamonds comes out? Do you lay down your straight for a decent sized bet?

- Jason

[patrick dicaprio]

this is a margianl call preflop, although a raise isnt bad, calling is probably the worst option IMO. once you flop the draw you cant count the diamonds necessaily as outs but you cant automatically ignore them either. but by my calculations you are getting well more odds than are needed on the flop. same can be said for the turn.

Pat

[UOPokerPlayer]

Thanks for the response. Do you think the chips i lose everytime i miss, or run into a bigger hand is worth the pot i win when i hit and double triple up? Basically, Early in a tournament, is it worth it? FWIW, This is a small buy in ($5 Party) and players seem to pay off with almost anything

BTW, i agree that preflop was probably my worst move of the hand, raising probably better, and gives me more options for the later streets (?)