Paradise bad beat stories

Allow me to vent after all the bad beats I've taken tonight. I hate bad beats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So here are some of my bad beat stories...


I limp with AJs after two limpers. One more limper after me(LAM). Sb folds. BB calls. Flop brings AK5r. I bet. LAM raises. One fish cold calls. I 3 bet. LAM caps. Fish cold calls. 3 players. Turn brings 2r. LAM bets. All call. River brings 9. LAM bets. All calls. LAM turns over K9o for rivered two pairs. WTF! Fish has A8o.


I raise QQ after 1 limper. cutoff, sb, bb, limper all call. Flop is AQ6r. I bet and only sb calls. Turn brings 8r. I bet and sb calls. River brings J. Sb bets and I raise. Sb rivered a straight with T9s.


4 limpers and I raise button with KQo. Flop brings JT8r. I bet 3 people call. Turn 2, which brings two diamonds. I bet and got two callers. River 9d. Limper bets and I raise. Limper has Q5d for the flush while I made my straight.


Looks like I was on e-tilt by all the bad beats and putting in too much money at the end? Any suggestions of how to prevent e-tilt? It really gets me pissed off when people just kept draw out on me...

I was dealt AA 4 times and KK 3 times in less than 2 hours last night and did not hit 1 flop. I lost every hand, except two . . . and won only the blinds both times. Been there - done that, my friend.


G.

Yeah, several nights ago, playing 1-2, I had the same bad luck. Could not even flop a pair with high 2 card hands. Almost never improved on the flop all night long. On top of this, it seemed like every junk hand I tossed ended up the leader on the flop and eventual winning hand if I had stayed in. For instance, J2o, I fold, and J27 would flop. Frustrating! Ended up losing $80 during that session (6 hours), my biggest single session loss in 1-2 to date.


Papio

I built a bankroll from an initial $100 to over $2400 on Paradise, playing mostly 1 table tourneys (20/30/50) and 3/6, 5/10.


In the past 2 weeks, I have had a run of bad beats that is nothing short of spectacular, and have lost about 300 "big bets" average between the 2 games. Similar bad beat hands to yours or worse, over and over unceasingly. I've been playing solid, tight, aggresive. Meanwhile in my B&M games at Bay101 and Garden City, I have been doing very well, winning consistently about 1 1/2 big bets at 6/12, 9/18. Never have I seen even a 150 BB downswing in B&M play, let alone a 300.


I am firmly convinced that this horrific run of bad beats is not "luck" or standard deviation alone. Paradise is simply not a "straight game". You can only see your big hands cracked by the miracle runner runner flush or runner runner trips etc. so many dozens of times running, before wondering. Especially when the damn boards come coordinated so much of the time.


Since I will likely shortly bust out and refuse to rebuy in on that particular site, I will dedicate the time saved to a good analysis of the thousands of "HH's" I have saved, and see whether I am correct or not. I have plenty of raw HH data, (about 5000 hands), but it will take some time to properly analyze it against statistical probabilities for the many parameters I will be analyzing.

"I am firmly convinced that this horrific run of bad beats is not "luck" or standard deviation alone."


I got a chance to play some 5/10 with you and this above statement is right on. Even though this is still poker, it takes a different approach to effectively attack online play. There is no way to correlate 5/10 limit online to 5/10 limit in B&M casinos. The quality of play at that limit is at least 3 times as tough versus B&M. It doesn't mean that the games still aren't beatable but your win rate will be lower while your flucuation will be higher. This is something I pointed out in an earlier post.


"I've been playing solid, tight, aggressive."


I always like to compare the correct approach to a particular style of play with Newton's Law of Motion. To paraphrase, for every style of game, there is an equal and opposite way to attack it. If all you do is play solid, tight, aggressive poker well...ummm....MEOW! Why is it so hard to believe that you may not be good enough or game selective enough to win online? Easy, it's easier to say it's fixed then I'm not good enough to win. It's human nature. Also if you think 5,000 hands is plenty of data, I guess we can see how your thinking is flawed. I have over 17,000 hands this month alone. But what do I know......I'm just a cat!


URMeowed


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17000 hands!!!!!!!


You need to get out of your kitty box and get out a little!

". Never have I seen even a 150 BB downswing in B&M play, let alone a 300. "


You have not played enough poker. Even a sound professional can have a 500 - 1000 BB downswing. It's not guaranteed but the possibility is non-zero in any given year.


Regarding Paradise, I think they're as crooked as a dog's hind leg.

I am in the big blind, $5/$10. I look down, see 23o. Ok, a robotic hand to play. Fold to a raise preflop, check-fold most likely on the flop. Several limpers, including UTG (Mr Better) who's loose-aggressive (plays 92s, limps with AA preflop, check-raises the flop with A6o on a 98x flop, loses to KK). Several loose-passive players also.


Great, free play! Flop comes Ao45d. COOL!!!! Ka-ching, and with Mr Better to my right... I check, UTG Mr Better bets as expected, most call to me, I call. Turn comes 9o. I check, suprisingly Mr Better checks, but next to act after Mr Better bets, call, I raise, all call. River is 5o, I bet, all call (or maybe one dropped). I take down a $159 pot. /images/smile.gif


Next hand I complete the bet after 5-6 limpts with KJs, flopped K high, I bet, all drop. So they do pay attention. /images/wink.gif


Anyways, this isn't that great of a hand, except for the fact that I usually play .50/1. /images/smile.gif


- Tony H.

Hi Meow.


>>I have over 17,000 hands this month alone


Appearantly you are a seasonal veteran on paradise. Have you observed any thing funny with paradise's games? I'd would like to know what does the expert think and if you are able to consistently beat the game? Thanks for any comments.

When I first started playing online, it did seem that there was an inordinate amount of suspect hands. Either a lot of quality hands going down to cheese that you would NEVER see at a live game or funny boards leading to monster hands. I would also win some gigantic amounts of money. Winning $900 in a single 5/10 game in 4 hours was commonplace. Why you ask? It's cause the speed of the games run around three times as fast. Once you realize that, you can understand why you see so many strange hands. In closing, I don't see any at Paradise that I don't see happen in a live game.


URMeowed

I just read your post. What a waste of time that was.


Miles...So What.


PS almost as useless as this post! /images/wink.gif

First time I sat down in a $1-$2 stud game, after about an hour of being around even, I have (53)5 with a two-flush sitting to the right of the bring-in. 5 limpers to me, so I call. 4th street is a 3, checked to me, I bet, all call. 5th street I catch another 3, guy on my right has AJT showing, everyone else has uncoordinated cards. I'm high, so I bet, 3 calls then the AJT raises. No one looks like they have a shot at my boat, so I call to let them in. 6th street is all blanks except AJT who gets a K. I bet, 2 or 3 callers, AJTK raises, I call again (probably could've raised here), others call. I bet the river, 2 calls, raise, I re-raise, next guy calls the 2 bets, other guy folds, AJTK caps it and we both call. AJTK had the str8, other guy had rivered trip Qs (I assume he rivered them, cause it seems more likely he was playing split queens which became a 4-flush than that he slowplayed the trips all the way). My boat takes down a $71.50 pot in a $1-$2 game.

"There is no way to correlate 5/10 limit online to 5/10 limit in B&M casinos. The quality of play at that limit is at least 3 times as tough versus B&M."


I find it odd that a large group of people say that Paradise games are much tougher than typical casino games while another large group goes on about how loose and moronic the games are on Paradise. How can people have such vastly different perspectives?


Personally, I think low limit players are generally pretty bad in both places and I don't see a whole lot of difference either way. I definitely don't think it's accurate to say the players on Paradise are "3 times as tough" (whatever that means) as casino players. I suppose it depends to some extent where the casino is.

I agree with URMeowed on this one. I think the paradise online games are way tougher at a limit for limit comparison. The 3/6,5/10 at paradise plays more like 10/20,20/40 in the casinos I play at (in Edmonton, Canada). The paradise LL games are still beatable and still have fish, but there are definitely more sharks in the water. Just look at the flop %. At paradise it is usually 20-40% for 3/6,5/10. In the casinos I play it is more like 50-90% for low limits. Also paradise LL is almost always open-raised and reraised, flop and turn are more often check-raised, reraised etc. The games just play tougher. Where are all of the calling stations that show up at the casino? Where are the average Joes just looking to gamble on a Saturday night? Though much can be said for the hands/hour at paradise, the level of competition is much tougher.


Also, just for a comparison basis. I've played 4-8 up to 9-18 in Vegas and I find the calibre of play to be the same as the casinos I play at in Edmonton, so I don't think it's just that my local games are unusually soft (though one can always dream...).

You can start by trying to play better....that always helps. You totally butchered the KQ hand. Nice raise on the button after 4 people and the blinds are already in. YOU NOW MAKE IT CORRECT TO CHASE. DUH! No wonder you lose.