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Anders_G
12-25-2004, 10:05 PM
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Button and cuttof are both typical fish with high vpip and low af-tot, making it good to sit where I am. How much respect should I put into his post-flop raises? I haven't sat on the table that long.

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

When the normally passive fish caps the pot I think i'm beaten. Should i fold the turn unimproved or is my line of calling down ok?

Turn: (7.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Thank you.

jediael
12-25-2004, 10:14 PM
Fold the turn

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12-25-2004, 10:14 PM
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Fold the turn

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With that read..ya me too.

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)
12-25-2004, 10:31 PM
With that read, I wouldn't 3-bet the flop either. Call the flop raise, fold unimproved.

SinCityGuy
12-25-2004, 10:43 PM
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With that read, I wouldn't 3-bet the flop either. Call the flop raise, fold unimproved.

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Assuming that he has a decent hand sample on this guy, I agree. These low-aggression calling stations hardly ever semi-bluff raise. When he raises that flop, he's got QJ beaten almost all of the time.

Rudbaeck
12-26-2004, 10:21 AM
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With that read, I wouldn't 3-bet the flop either. Call the flop raise, fold unimproved.

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Exactly my thinking.

Fabian
12-26-2004, 07:10 PM
Call the flop raise, fold the turn.

Net Warrior
12-26-2004, 07:19 PM
With 6 opponents, someone is likely to have a better jack. Check the flop planning to fold vs an early bet and raise vs a late bet. Here, the late better would likely 3 bet and then it's safe to fold.