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Schizo
12-25-2004, 08:14 PM
Folding KJs on the button against on raise?

Folding A9s on the SB against one raise and pot is multiway?

It doesn't seem right.

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12-25-2004, 08:16 PM
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Folding KJs on the button against on raise?

Folding A9s on the SB against one raise and pot is multiway?

It doesn't seem right.

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KJs vs. 1 reasonable pfr? easy muck. Easily dominated hand and the suited only comes into noticeable +EV with 4+ people seeing the flop.

A9s vs. raise and multiway - how multiway are we talking? if there was a raise and 2-3 callers, I make this call.

Rudbaeck
12-25-2004, 08:29 PM
KJs against UTG raise and folded to me - muck.
KJs against UTG raise and a herd of cold-callers might even be a raise.
KJs against CO open-raise is a 100% raise.
KJs against a maniac open-raise and folded to me is 3-bet.

A9s in SB is worth a call if there are 2 callers to the raise.

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12-25-2004, 08:31 PM
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KJs against UTG raise and folded to me - muck.
KJs against UTG raise and a herd of cold-callers might even be a raise.
KJs against CO open-raise is a 100% raise.
KJs against a maniac open-raise and folded to me is 3-bet.



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Good KJs examples Rud. Pretty spot on. I didn't add in the relative position of the pfr in my post. I should have.

Schizo
12-25-2004, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the help guys. What do you do if you limp in MP with AJo and someone raises in LP. Your not cold calling, but your not supposed to play against a raise. What do you do?

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12-25-2004, 08:47 PM
you shouldn't be limping in mp with AJo.
You should almost *always* be first in a hand with a raise.

Now if you did mis-click the call button from MP, you will want to still see a flop.

Schizo
12-25-2004, 09:27 PM
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you shouldn't be limping in mp with AJo.
You should almost *always* be first in a hand with a raise.


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I did not expect to see this. So basically always raise to 2 small bets in the MP, but never cold call or limp. Correct?

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12-25-2004, 09:28 PM
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you shouldn't be limping in mp with AJo.
You should almost *always* be first in a hand with a raise.


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I did not expect to see this. So basically always raise to 2 small bets in the MP, but never cold call or limp. Correct?

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Yep.

StellarWind
12-25-2004, 10:51 PM
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So basically always raise to 2 small bets in the MP, but never cold call or limp. Correct?

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Usually don't *open-call* from MP. Calling from MP can be correct in other situations:

1. It is often good to limp after other limpers in a loose game.

2. Calling a single raise is often correct if you posted (whether you should have posted is another matter).

3. Coldcalling a single raise can be correct if several other players are already in. This is especially true with a pocket pair that has set value but is not worth a reraise. Other big drawing hands like QJs may also qualify in a loose/passive game.

4. Open-limping a volume hand like JTs or 33 can be correct with multiple posters in a loose/passive game.