Big Downswing- Many hands for Review (LONG!!) [Archive]

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 04:51 AM

I've had a horrible run the last 2 days. Down $750, which I think is my sharpest dowturn ever. There is no particular organization to these hands, there basically every hand I lost big money on the last two days. I've decided I really don't know what I'm doing in this game so if some of the hands aren't interesting perhaps I can't tell the difference (i know i sound whiny, but at least I knew not to keep playing in this state-posting on the forum will give me something to do).

Since everything has kinduv blurred together I've tried to remember reads and thinking where I can. I was playing at VERY loose tables. I think VPIP was 50+ for at least 4 of the other people at the table, sometimes all 5. Some guys had VPIP 80-90%. Many were aggressive. Please comment on any part of the hand you want, I might make a comment about post flop but if you think I made a preflop error you can point that out too.

P.S. I made an attempt at this earlier today but had problems and not enough time to work them out. Here is a more complete post.

P.P.S. Man that was a lot of hands. I even left out a few bad beats that I thought didn’t have much discussion value (suffice it to say every top pair got two paired on river and every flush draw didn’t pan and every gutshot villain had came up). If anyone actually reads this whole thing I’ll be damned impressed.

BTW: Bison's hand converter rocks, first time using it.
Sometimes I had trouble with it so I just have hand history there.

Hand 1:
I know this call was too loose, he has me beat. I thought that a ten would give me an out, as well as a queen or a jack. I thought he had kings. I really should have let it go. I was kinduv on tilt this was my last big hand of the night.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Jd Tc (straight, king high).
Hero has Js Qc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: SB wins 10.50 BB. 

Hand 2:
SHould I not bet here. I should probably fold. I've been working on getting more aggressive but this is clearly the wrong spot.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP (poster) folds.

Flop: (7 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins 5.50 BB. 

Hand 3:
This guy is mad lose, I see him calling with overcards. I still think betting where I did was right.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (2 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (4 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Jd Kh (flush, king high).
Hero has 5d 8s (one pair, fives).
Outcome: UTG wins 4 BB. 

Hand 4:
SHould I not chase the flush here. I'm pretty sure I have implied odds, but maybe I'm wrong. It's heads up and the pots not that big.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below: 
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins 6 BB. 

Hand 5:
This guy is loose preflop (VPIP 60%), but conservative post flop (oddly enough being a blind doesn't make him any more likely to play the hand). If he misses the flop he folds. He only bets when he has a hand. I can't tell if his raises mean he has the nuts or a draw of some other hand. I don't know if throwing this away is right. I may have made a mistake. I could use some help on this hand.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG posts a blind of $5.
MP calls, CO raises, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG (poster) folds, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets, MP raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.20 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP wins 11.20 BB. 

Hand 5.5:
Yeah I got checkraised here but he could be doing it with kings too so I called down. Hands like this made me lay down a hand I shouldnt have earlier (hand 13). How can I tell the difference between when I'm beat on a turn raise.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG posts a blind of $5.
MP raises, CO folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG (poster) folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.70 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

Results in white below: 
MP has 7c 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has Ks Ad (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP wins 10.70 BB. 

Hand 6:
I folded turn cause it was more expensive and I could still be dominated (by say AK, AQ, my jack might not be good enough, and also I might be reverse cominated A9). SHould I have even called the flop? There are so many people and I didn't hit anything. I still though it was worth seeing if I could pike an ace. If I'm afraid on the turn for those reasons shouldn't I be afraid on the flop.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP (poster) 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
UTG bets, MP calls, Hero folds, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (13 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ad 9h (one pair, nines).
MP has Ah Kh (high card, ace).
Button has Ks Qh (high card, king).
Outcome: UTG wins 13 BB. 

Hand 7:
It seems like I'm getting my ass handed to me evertime I raise from SB against BB. SHould I just stop doing it without total monsters. How would you play a hand like this. Would you just limp so thier posistional bluff is less dangerous. (Just sat down at table no reads)
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises, MP (poster) calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP wins 3.50 BB. 

Hand 8:
Here is like above except I stay with him. I think staying with him was wrong (i wrote it off by saying I had a gutshot and hitting a pair might beat him if he had second or third pair.
***** Hand History for Game 1341065781 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Friday, December 24, 00:48:16 EDT 2004
Table Table 15024 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: larry100 ( $253 )
Seat 3: k2acidsoul ( $211.5 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $214 )
Seat 6: jesserowe ( $398 )
Seat 8: wbilken ( $242 )
Seat 10: mjmassi ( $314 )
HERO posts small blind [$2].
jesserowe posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ts Js ]
wbilken folds.
mjmassi folds.
larry100 folds.
k2acidsoul folds.
HERO raises [$8].
jesserowe calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 9h, 3d ]
HERO bets [$5].
jesserowe raises [$10].
>You have options at Table 11394 (6 max) Table!.
HERO calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
HERO checks.
jesserowe bets [$10].
>You have options at Table 11343 (6 max) Table!.
HERO calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
HERO checks.
jesserowe checks.
HERO shows [ Ts, Js ] a pair of nines.
jesserowe shows [ 8s, Ks ] two pairs, kings and nines.
jesserowe wins $58 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and nines.

Hand 9:
Am I wrong to assume he also has high cards due to raise. And that my ace high is probably good given I've met no resistance.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG posts a blind of $5.
MP folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG (poster) folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (6.70 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Button has Ac 4d (one pair, fours).
Hero has As Kd (high card, ace).
Outcome: Button wins 6.70 BB. 

Hand 10:
Okay I probably should fold to flop raise?
***** Hand History for Game 1341051075 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Friday, December 24, 00:44:58 EDT 2004
Table Table 15024 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: larry100 ( $140 )
Seat 3: k2acidsoul ( $193.5 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $286 )
Seat 6: jesserowe ( $446 )
Seat 8: wbilken ( $254 )
Seat 10: mjmassi ( $321 )
k2acidsoul posts small blind [$2].
HERO posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9c Ah ]
>You have options at Table 11343 (6 max) Table!.
jesserowe folds.
wbilken folds.
mjmassi folds.
larry100 calls [$5].
k2acidsoul calls [$3].
>You have options at Table 11336 (6 max) Table!.
HERO checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 2c, 5h ]
k2acidsoul checks.
HERO bets [$5].
larry100 raises [$10].
k2acidsoul folds.
HERO calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
HERO checks.
>You have options at Table 11343 (6 max) Table!.
larry100 bets [$10].
HERO calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
>You have options at Table 11336 (6 max) Table!.
HERO bets [$10].
larry100 calls [$10].
HERO shows [ 9c, Ah ] high card ace.
larry100 shows [ 8h, 7c ] a pair of eights.
larry100 wins $73 from the main pot with a pair of eights.

Hand 11:
Yeah I think not reraising is good, he could be slowplaying flush, if not I scare him off? Or am I not pushing enough in this HU game. He could have a 9 and push real hard. I know that hand didn't work out for me but maybe I still made the wrong move.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
MP calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: (1.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

River: (5.20 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9c Kd (straight, king high).
MP has Ts Jd (full house, tens full of jacks).
Outcome: MP wins 7.20 BB. 

Hand 12:
These guys had tight PT stats. I figured this was a good steal opportunity. Too loose? What about bluffing after the flop. I was a bit worried that at the very least the small blind had high cards. WOuldn't fold, might eb slowplaying. Besides, I bet on the button all the time so they have probably noticed this by now.
Hand converter won't work. Here's the flop:
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Ac, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]

They checked to me on every street.

Hand 13:
Here is the hand I shouldn't have folded, the one I mentioned in hand 5.5.

Hand 14:
Hero is UTG, converter wont work for some reason
Dealt to HERO [ Qd Ac ]
HERO raises [$10].
cool_hand99 folds.
DougPerry folds.
Nelly37 calls [$8].
LEE6666 calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Qs, 6s ]
Nelly37 checks.
LEE6666 checks.
HERO bets [$5].
Nelly37 calls [$5].
LEE6666 calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Nelly37 bets [$10].
LEE6666 raises [$20].
HERO folds.
Nelly37 raises [$20].
LEE6666 calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
>You have options at Table 12632 (6 max) Table!.
Nelly37 bets [$10].
LEE6666 calls [$10].
Nelly37 shows [ Kc, 8c ] high card king.
LEE6666 shows [ Tc, Qh ] a pair of queens.
LEE6666 wins $123 from the main pot with a pair of queens.

Hand 14:
Do I bet turn. I don't know if it will make him fold pair in this HU match. If he's limping with that he aint folding pair. Its true he didn't bet, so he might not have apir, and my king high might be best, but thats sketchy.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero (poster) raises, UTG calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Hand 15:
I think I played this right.
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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: (9 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Hand 16:
I thought kings gave me outs. Maybe aces. THese where tainted out I can tell now. I needed to fold this.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below: 
BB doesn't show.
Hero doesn't show.
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins 5.66 BB. BB wins 5.66 BB. Hero wins 5.66 BB. 

Hand 16:
With two callers and all those overcards to I check the turn?
Dealt to HERO [ 7c 7h ]
Nefastis folds.
topgun99 folds.
jenkampsen calls [$5].
HERO raises [$10].
slickwilly13 calls [$8].
omaha_haha folds.
jenkampsen calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 2s, 8c ]
slickwilly13 checks.
jenkampsen checks.
HERO bets [$5].
slickwilly13 calls [$5].
jenkampsen calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
slickwilly13 checks.
jenkampsen checks.
HERO bets [$10].
slickwilly13 calls [$10].
jenkampsen raises [$20].
HERO folds.
slickwilly13 raises [$20].
jenkampsen raises [$20].
slickwilly13 calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
slickwilly13 checks.
jenkampsen bets [$10].
slickwilly13 raises [$20].
jenkampsen calls [$10].
slickwilly13 shows [ 8s, Qh ] two pairs, queens and eights.
jenkampsen shows [ Tc, Qd ] a straight, eight to queen.
jenkampsen wins $178 from the main pot with a straight, eight to queen.

Hand 17:
I chased against the preflop trip raiser who probably had either AK, AQ, or PP. Should have let it go.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
Button folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, MP (poster) folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Hand 18:
Villian is extremely loose. I think I still have value bet on river as he’d call with second pair (he won’t call with nothing though, he only puts money in with some hand, could be third pair on board with 4 of a suit). Am I wrong?

***** Hand History for Game 1336919972 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Thursday, December 23, 01:49:32 EDT 2004
Table Table 11322 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: joho717 ( $101.5 )
Seat 3: mrctn ( $836.5 )
Seat 6: azklm ( $671.5 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $124 )
Seat 10: sneaky_pete1 ( $251.5 )
Seat 5: asheesh ( $326 )
HERO posts small blind [$2].
sneaky_pete1 posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9c Qc ]
joho717 folds.
mrctn folds.
asheesh calls [$5].
azklm folds.
HERO calls [$3].
sneaky_pete1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 4s, Qd ]
HERO bets [$5].
sneaky_pete1 calls [$5].
asheesh calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
HERO bets [$10].
sneaky_pete1 folds.
asheesh calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
HERO bets [$10].
asheesh raises [$20].
HERO calls [$10].
asheesh shows [ Kd, 8d ] two pairs, kings and eights.
HERO doesn't show [ 9c, Qc ] a pair of queens.
asheesh wins $88 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and eights.

Hand 19:
Should trip raise be indication that he has queens. He is same guy I mentioned above.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
MP folds, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero (poster) 3-bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 9c Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has Jh Js (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 7.50 BB. 

Hand 20:
Too aggressive?
***** Hand History for Game 1336872837 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Thursday, December 23, 01:37:38 EDT 2004
Table Table 11322 (6 max) (Real Money)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ah Qc ]
sneaky_pete1 folds.
joho717 folds.
mrctn folds.
azklm raises [$8].
HERO raises [$10].
azklm calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Td, 9d ]
azklm bets [$5].
HERO raises [$10].
azklm calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
azklm checks.
HERO bets [$10].
azklm calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
azklm checks.
HERO checks.
azklm shows [ Kc, 8s ] two pairs, nines and eights.
HERO doesn't show [ Ah, Qc ] a pair of nines.
azklm wins $68 from the main pot with two pairs, nines and eights.

Hand 21:
I think fold is correct here because 9 may have taken away my overcards as outs, leaving me with only gutshot. Even if not true then I’m still on a draw.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, MP folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Hand 22:
Is river raise bad. I figured he didn’t have queen, was figuring on two pair. Then again he’ll probably fold anything but queen so I should have checked it. Bad move on my part.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises, Hero calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)

Turn: (3.70 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

Hand 23:
Should I fold river?
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP (poster) checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
UTG bets, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP 3-bets, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG folds.

River: (12 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
MP bets, Button folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Hand 24:
Fold turn, fold river?
Have outs on turn worth it?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Hand 25:
I need to fold this river huh.
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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero (poster) raises, CO calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (3.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5.20 BB

Hand 26:
Good river fold, I think so.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB folds, Hero raises, MP (poster) folds, SB calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Hand 27:
This guy is loose and loves to steal blinds. The table is breaking up and hes all happy to steal blinds. I defended to hard though I think.
***** Hand History for Game 1336584400 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Thursday, December 23, 00:31:46 EDT 2004
Table Table 14398 (6 max) (Real Money)
rdbizzle posts small blind [$2].
Piedoh15 is sitting out.
MINETZ is sitting out.
HERO posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 2s As ]
MINETZ has left the table.
rdbizzle raises [$8].
HERO raises [$10].
rdbizzle calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Qs, 2d ]
rdbizzle checks.
HERO bets [$5].
rdbizzle raises [$10].
HERO calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
rdbizzle bets [$10].
HERO calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
rdbizzle bets [$10].
HERO folds.
rdbizzle does not show cards.
rdbizzle wins $79

Hand 28:
Re-raise turn?
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $5.
MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, BB calls, Hero (poster) calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

That’s all folks.

naphand

12-24-2004, 04:56 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Bison's hand converter rocks, first time using it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, and there have been discussions about using it responsibly and how Bison took it offline as he was fed up with people making multiple hand posts like this. Just because it is easy to post hands, does not justify cramming the forum with endless "I am running bad here are 20 hands" posts.

1 hand at a time, please. This is just selfish obsessional churning.

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 05:12 AM

Sorry if that's the case, I really didn't think about it that way. I could break it up to make things better. Its like 4 am though and I just spent almost 2 hours on that post so I'll wait till I wake up tommorrow.

I wasn't really sure how to post it either. I've had such a bad run all these hands have been swirling around in my head, I was in such despair earlier. Posting it gave me something to do that wasn't playing more or yelling at myself unproductively. I'll give it another look for editing tommorrow.

naphand

12-24-2004, 05:18 AM

Ummm....yes. There are always reasons.

Did no-one ever tell you that giving yourself time to reflect (sometime called "sleeping on it") will lead to more insightful and balanced conclusions? Digest what happened, look over it again later, decide where the problem/s were, post some indicative hands with your thoughts. The forum will respond. 2 hours wasted throwing every bad beat or tilty hand is taking you and the forum precisely nowhere.

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 05:38 AM

Sorry. I guess that's all I can say. If I could delete my post I would. But sadly I don't know how. And I can't seem to find anything about it in the faq. I can edit it out of existance if that would be better.

I really don't know exactly what hands to post. I've determined a suck as this game. After 25,000 hands at 3/6, 5,000 at 5/10, and 3,500 at 3/6 I can barely squeeze out 1.21 BB/100. I'm humble enough to realize after all this I don't know what I'm doing. There are errors in my game that I may think are right, but are still errors. I may be making a bet I think is a given but is actually an error to someone else. I won't find this out posting hands I already think I know the answer too.

I don't know alot of whats gone on in the forum before. I didn't know it existed before I bought SSHE one month ago. I don't know its history, whats been said and done before, whats are the untold rules. I've had to ask all the stupid questions, and I've been yelled at, and maybe I deserved it. But until I try something and someone tells me otherwise I have no clue as to what I'm doing wrong.

helpmeout

12-24-2004, 05:40 AM

lol

4-5 hands with reads and your thoughts on each one is much better.

A block of 20+ hands is a waste of time.

Michael Davis

12-24-2004, 05:44 AM

No big deal, Bro, sounds like you are intent on making a positive contribution. Better to post single hands or a few that are somehow related.

25K hands is not enough to tell whether or not you're playing well. Looking for flaws in your game by posting on the forum is the way to go. Don't get discouraged.

-Michael

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 05:44 AM

Sorry again. I didn't realize this was a booboo. I tried to get edit the post away but it won't let me anymore and I can't delete it. If I could knowing what I know now I would.

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 05:48 AM

Thanks man. I thought I was gonna be banned from the poker world forever. A few calm words is all I needed. I was all nervous from my bad streak already.

Tommorrow I'm gonna try to break those hands up into groups. Preferably by what kind of leak I think they are. Only after I went through posting all these things did I realize all the errors I made the last two days.

TJD

12-24-2004, 06:17 AM

The downswing hurts I am sure but in the context of the game it is just normal, so the swing itself should be of no concern to you.

Nap, who makes an excellent contribution to this forum and gives up a lot of his time trying to help seems to have become a bit frustrated over the last few days. We can only hazard a guess as to why /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Take his attack with a pinch of salt.

However, he IS right. Trying to cope with a post with as many hands as yours in it is very difficult.

Repost the ones you are very interested in singly and I am sure that nap and many others will respond.

Welcome.

T

Tosh

12-24-2004, 09:07 AM

75BB downswing is barely a downswing. If this bothers you this much, I'd really suggest quitting poker.

stripsqueez

12-24-2004, 09:43 AM

i started reading this and gave up - others have posted that its a bit much to wade through so i wont berate you for that

75BB's is a pathetic downturn - if you lost 300BB's i would be interested although these days the really impressive downturns run to over 400BB's

from what i did read i think you should take a second look at these hands and realise that most of them are close to normal for a decent player - if you get this lost everytime you lose 75BB's playing short handed you will get butchered long term

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Grisgra

12-24-2004, 11:54 AM

I don't mind multihand posts at all, but save your 20-hand posts for a 400BB downswing. Piddly 75BB swings are entitled to three hands -- four, max /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Nemesis

12-24-2004, 12:19 PM

1: fine
2. bet the turn check the river, I think firing another shot has a good chance of taking down the pot if he doesn't have the A.
3. fine
4. bet it yourself, give yourself the semi bluff factor. Be aggressive.
5. sucks, but I think that you have to let it go when he bets the turn too.
5.5: definately required to call it down, depends on reads of course.

6. good
7. I have no idea, i'm lost in these situations as well.
8. didn't read.
9. fine, unlucky
10. didn't read
11. well played, unlucky
12. didn't read
13. didn't read
14. bet the turn again, fire another shot.
15. seems fine.
16.... getting tired.... can't go on.

In general you seem to be playing pretty solid. Some bad luck definately has come your way, but not the worst i've seen. You're a little passive with draws and A high hands from what i've seen. Step up the agression there and you get more people disrespecting your raises meaning you get more money and you get more pots from stealing them.

Guy McSucker

12-24-2004, 03:23 PM

Hey,

1) Losing 75BB is nothing. Really. Get used to it.

2) Winning 1.2BB/100 is not sucking. It's winning. Average players lose 2.5BB/100 - the rake. You're outdoing that by 3.7BB/100. Ergo, you don't suck. Perhaps your win rate could improve.

3) The hands. I didn't read them. Others have explained why.

Good luck,

Guy.

lehighguy

12-24-2004, 05:47 PM

I know its probably not a big downswing in the scheme of things. Its just $500 of it was to these two VPIP 80% people who endlessly berated me about how chasing gutshots HU was the smartest thing in the world, and how 8,4 suited was a power hand cause it was suited. Noramlly I don't get pissed cause I take thier money eventually, but they just kept hitting hands. I kept buying in and they kept hitting thier draws. It was frustrating.

The other reason I was mad is my mother hates gambling. Thinks poker is a waste of my time. And unless I can show her around $30/hour profit I'll never get rid of that image.

ANyway thanks to the guy that made comments on a few of the hands. I'm going to start going through these and picking out the choice ones.

Nemesis

12-24-2004, 06:31 PM

How old are you? If you're over 21 tell your mom not to worry about it, and only mention it to her when you make gobs of cash.

fyodor

12-24-2004, 06:53 PM

I just went through an unaruguably big downswing, 525+ BB, so I feel I can get away with saying this: 75? hahahahahahahhahahhaha what a joke.

I posted precisely no hands from that period. That's because like any winning player's downswing it consisted of nothing unusual. Bad beats, dominated hands, legitimate draws coming in for the other guy, big draws missing for me.

Here's where my money went. Could anyone here have helped me?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (7.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

I had about 100 hand history on CO. He was LAG but not crazy. With his flop raise I figured a 9 or a flush draw, maybe TT. He would have raised a bigger PP preflop.

When he just called the turn I ruled out trips or a straight. He was more aggressive than that. The river looks harmless. I'm on the weak tight side but even I am not check calling this.

If I'm playing scared I can save some bets here by going into check call mode instead of 3 betting the flop. But if I expect to lose every hand I play I may as well quit.

He showed me 4d 3h and that is typically what happens in a downswing. Anyone at 2+2 can lose 75BB in an hour.

lehighguy

12-25-2004, 02:04 AM

Yeah I suppose its not that bad. This is the first time I played 5/10 so it feels like a really big 3/6 downswing.

525BB ouch. I feel for you man.

I don't know if I'm a winning player or not, so I can tell the difference between a downswing and just not being a winner.

BradL

12-25-2004, 02:18 AM

[ QUOTE ]
The other reason I was mad is my mother hates gambling.

[/ QUOTE ]

Take a move from Negreanu's playbook, tell your mom you win a little every session, changing the big wins and losses to a small, rather consistent figure, in the end it will all even out to that small winrate anyway, you can save her the stress of your ups and downs.

-Brad

naphand

12-26-2004, 10:23 AM

[ QUOTE ]
We can only hazard a guess as to why

[/ QUOTE ]

And you will be guessing, and your assumptions could very well be wrong. You also are not "we", you are not the voice of the forum collective, trying to legitimise your opinions by taking the Royal perogative is weak.

My response hardly constitutes an "attack" when it is the expressed opinion of Bison, who provides the converter for our benefit. Abusing the converter/forum by making these kind of posts needs to be actively discouraged, as the posting of well-formatted, thought out posts needs to be encouraged.

mperich

12-27-2004, 02:23 AM

I show my mom a 100+/hr profit and she still hates gambling, so I moved out. Consider yourself lucky =P