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groovy8
12-23-2004, 05:54 PM
Just curious what the consensus is regarding steal raises.
I just had QJo on the button, folded to me, and I ended up
folding, partly because I don't like QJ and partly because
I was in 2 other hands at the time.

I find QJo, JTo, QTo to be so weak as to not really be worth
playing much. But maybe I'm playing too tight. Do you
generally call, raise, or fold in this situation? Party
$2/$4, for reference.
runa
12-23-2004, 06:27 PM
This question really seems to depend on the blinds. If they're loosey-goosey types who will call any raise cold, you probably have to tighten up your steal standards, but even 3-ways QJo with position is a decent holding. I think you could almost raise for value here. If the blinds are super-tight you can even go as low as the baby PP, Q9, J9, any Ax, etc. for steal attempts.
Bob T.
12-23-2004, 06:41 PM
Are the blinds loose or tight?

I would probably steal with this hand either way, but I would definately try against tight blinds.
DataMiner
12-23-2004, 06:58 PM
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I find QJo, JTo, QTo to be so weak as to not really be worth playing much.

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Agreed. That's part of the reason that these hands work so well for blind-stealing. It's not really a blind-steal if you're raising with QQ. It's just a good raise.
Trix
12-23-2004, 06:59 PM
You have QJo on the button vs 2 random hands in the blinds, this is more like a valueraise.
BarronVangorToth
12-23-2004, 07:03 PM
Bingo!

This is NOWHERE NEAR a steal ... you have a better than average hand and most likely better than the two other hands so anything except raising is a mistake, in my book.

I mean, what on earth are you going to wait for? Pocket Kings to raise when it's folded around to you on the button? Position + better than average holding vs. two random hands playing out of position for the rest of the hand -- what's the problem?

Barron Vangor Toth
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bdk3clash
12-23-2004, 07:26 PM
I don't give a [censored] how tight the blinds are, this is an automatic raise.
JoshuaD
12-23-2004, 07:31 PM
I raise it every time.
JEM7VSBL
12-23-2004, 07:44 PM
definitely a raise here.
lil'
12-23-2004, 07:48 PM
I'm with Bob T and Trix on this one. I raise it.
groovy8
12-23-2004, 08:27 PM
Wait, let me get this straight. I should raise here? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ok, so as far as offsuit cards go, how weak a hand to you
raise against two unknowns on Party $2/$4 in the blinds?
JEM7VSBL
12-23-2004, 08:35 PM
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Wait, let me get this straight. I should raise here? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ok, so as far as offsuit cards go, how weak a hand to you
raise against two unknowns on Party $2/$4 in the blinds?

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if you're steal-raising here, then you could basically have any two cards. one of four things will happen: (1) you steal the blinds without a flop, (2) a bet on the flop will win the pot, (3) you actually improve and win at the showdown, (4) the blinds play back and you make an easy fold.

again, it all depends on the blinds. if they are very tight, then you can steal with almost any hand, but if they are likely to call or reraise, then be more selective.