Med-high PPvs. LAG

[pfkaok]

This seems like its a pretty common situation vs. a LAG in these games... If I think he's either got a big A, or an overpair, should I be raising the turn or river, or should I just call down after the flop gets 3-bet or capped??? The only reason I'm hesitant to raise this on the turn is b/c I feel like I'll have to call down anyways if he 3bets the turn (barring an A on the river). If my raise on the turn causes him to call, then check/fold the river with unimproved big cards, is it better to just let him bet, so that I lose much less when I'm behind, and possibly win the same when I'm ahead (except for the times when he 3bet-bluffs on turn)??

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

[daryn]

i can't dig this hand.

i would cap the flop and failing that, raise the turn or river. why slow down? these guys will go bonkers with A3 in this spot.

[pfkaok]

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i would cap the flop and failing that, raise the turn or river. why slow down? these guys will go bonkers with A3 in this spot.


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Yeah, you're probaby right, I was thinking that a flop cap might slow him down if he only had 3-5 outs. If i cap flop and he still bets into me though, should I still raise turn, or then would it be best to just call down &amp; bet if checked to?

[daryn]

depends on the player i guess..

against certain guys i will go til the bitter end raising and reraising. against a solid player, i would probably just reach the showdown as cheaply as possible if he bet the turn after my flop cap.

[pfkaok]

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against certain guys i will go til the bitter end raising and reraising. against a solid player, i would probably just reach the showdown as cheaply as possible if he bet the turn after my flop cap.

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Very good point... I think that one thing I lose while multitabling is picking up on wheter the guy is LAG pf, and just smart aggr postflop, or if he's just all around crazy. I can usually get an idea from their aggression factors, and their when folded %'s, but sometimes it takes playing in a few HU pots with the guy to get a good feel. I think that sometimes I'm giving the crazy LAG's a little too much credit, and not respecting the smart LAG's enough, but I've really been working on this, since I'm almost certain it's a crutial skill to have if you ever want to "crush" these 10/20 games; as they're full of LAG's of all sorts.

[daryn]

just do what i do. assume everyone is a total idiot until they give you a reason not to.

[helpmeout]

You at least have to raise the expensive streets.

I'd throw in a turn raise and if he 3bets I'd call down.

[Grisgra]

A LAG will cap preflop in a SB vs BB battle with a huge variety of hands. I think I'd think I'm ahead on the flop, so to get an extra bet out of him I'd do a stop-n-go and raise the turn or, even better, that river. Make sure you see a showdown regardless.

[daryn]

stop n go in position? i'd like to see that!

by the way isn't stop n go primarily a NL move?

[Grisgra]

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stop n go in position? i'd like to see that!

by the way isn't stop n go primarily a NL move?

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I'm probably not using the lingo correctly, but you know what I meant -- instead of capping the flop, sandbag a little with what is likely the best hand and raise the turn instead. As far as whether it's better in NL, I can't say -- but I've done it before in limit with a monster hand. Let them think they have the best of it on the flop so you can get two bets in on the turn or river instead of one.

[daryn]

i understand, but if you were gonna do this, just calling his flop bet would be horrible. you'd want to raise, and maybe just consider flat calling his 3-bet. letting him see the turn for cheapo with a possible 6 outs is weak.

[wheelz]

I think he meant call the 3-bet then raise the turn.

I think I like playing it that way, although capping the flop then calling down is a good line too I think.