He must know what I have!

10-20 at PP. Everyone folds to me in late position. I raise with 99, Next player makes it 3 bets. I call. Flop comes 962 rainbow. I check 3better checks. ???. Next card 3, No flush possible, I bet 3better folds. How could he check the flop and then fold the turn? When he checked the flop suspected he had AA and was trying to suck me in. I could only think that he could see my cards. What do you think?

What if he had AKs?


Here's his version:


10-20 at PP. I make it 3 bets with AKs on the button. Flop comes 962 rainbow. Misses me completely. Other guy checks, I check. Next card 3, No flush possible, other guy bets, I fold, next hand please.


He could see your hand, sort of, when you bet: You have AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88 or something else that beats his junk.


Next hand,


Mark

Possibly, but then he's a very weak player. I dont think he could see your hand, but in this kind of steal situation you just cant 3-bet preflop and check flop/check-fold turn. That's incredibly weak play.


Regards

Did you exhibit some type of tell :)

I admit to doing it myself once or twice, and I've talked during a game to others who have as well....In playing multiple games, or just too quickly, sometimes you hit the wrong button??? It's pathetic to admit that, but it seems that could be the case here. Unless you witnessed other questionable instances during your play, I don't think you could make a strong enough argument that your opponent was able to see your cards.


Willy

The hand? Maybe Ax suited...and he missed his suit all together, then you bet and there were really no pot odds to continue (not a great play but possible). Maybe KJ, QJ and he wimped out... clicking the wrong button is a possiblity. Maybe you slow play too much and he was suspicious of you.


Could he see your cards?...doubt it. Unless, there were more situations in the game that indicated such a possibility. I saw a TLC program that reported that there is technology available hackers that could identify the algarythms that determine the "randomized" schemes of internet gaming.


i.e. someone COULD have a program that will identify your hand and everbody elses. Hence, based on the fundemental theorem of Poker, one who posesses such technology can make an out-right fortune.


If he was dominating the game and making extrodinarily correct folds and seemingly wild raises that turn out winning. If he never showed down a loser and never bluffed...etc, etc then I would be suspicious. One hand and a fold that you don't understand? Nothing to worry about.


-Bill

what protection do you have???

If what Bill was saying were true, having a firewall wouldn't help you, since the hacker would be getting the info from Paradise directly. The TLC program, though, was probably talking about the guys who hacked Planet Poker and then informed the site of how they did it. That was possible because the software was using a random seed to create a shuffled deck by starting with a decked that was fully ordered, and the seed that was used was based on the number of milliseconds since midnight, server time. That meant that once the hackers had figured out to within a few seconds what time the server thought it was, they were able to go through the few thousand possible seeds and figure out which of the decks that could have been generated would have resulted in them getting the cards they had. Since this was brought to the attention of the casino, I assume the problem has been dealt with. Making the algorithm fair and secure is not a difficult task, though keeping the site protected from attacks is an ongoing and difficult one.

software is available to view another players screen....

I haven't heard of it, but that doesn't mean much :) If that's the case, then a firewall might help, but again, if such a program existed, it would be much easier to make it so that it got the info directly from the site, rather than attempting to track down and attack everyone's computer.

The obvious answer here is the guy had nothing. Riased on big suited connectors and missed. Would not be the first time its happened.

Trojan horse type viruses exist which can, once installed on the victim's computer via the usual methods (email attachments, ICQing them files called 18yofirstblowjob.mpeg.exe, etc etc) allow the perpetrator to view screenshots of the victim's computer. This would obviously be helpful at PP assuming you could download the screenshots in time. The answer is the same as it always has been: use a virus checker and a firewall and don't open files if you don't know where they came from.


(Identifying an appropriate computer to send this program to is a more difficult problem...)


Chris

I would like to thank you allfor your imput. All your answers make sense I now believe that I was over concerned. Thank you again.

Ikke, ikke, ikke,


Which do you think is more likely: A) He is weak, gosh, I've never seen a weak holdem player before, or B) Our friend Jackson played against someone who has cracked PP security and this one silly hand is the proof. Come on, it is 9,900,000:1 in favor of A, at least in this case.


Here's one for you: I was playing at True Poker, 5-10 game. I raised pre-flop on the button with KQs, after 4-5 limpers. Tell me I was too agressive. I then called the capped pot when both blinds raised. 7-8 took the flop of a nut str8 and nut flush draw (A was on board for me). To make a long story short I won a zillion big bets, one turkey accused me of cheating: I knew what cards were coming, HAHA. She took it to security. They obviously laughed at her too, she appologized to me the next day.


Everyone wants to complain about cheaters when they lose.


Mark

First..see my previous post, and I quote:". I dont think he could see your hand..."


I was just saying his opponent was very weak. Sorry if I confused you. I'm NOT one of those people who say that Paradise is rigged, and I even never cared to join a discussing about that topic. Again, I was only saying that the reasoning behind his play you provided is one of a very weak player (to get all confusion out: NOT you, but the player who would think that way).


Regards

I think a raise with KQs after 4-5 limpers on the button is automatic.


Regards

A firewall won't stop someone using back orifice from viewing your screen, if your computer has that virus, then you shouldn't do anything which might compromise your financial information, such as log on to your online bank account, or type your credit card info into an order form. Cheating at PP is the least of your worries if this is on your computer.

I think, when I flop the nuts I yell "Check!". Your checking then betting would chase me away if I had AK, that's for sure.


GV