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nubs
12-21-2004, 12:55 AM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, MP1 calls $2 (All-In), Hero calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG+2 calls $1 (All-In), Hero calls.

River: (15.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Thoughts?
SinCityGuy
12-21-2004, 12:58 AM
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Yeah. Fold preflop.
Clarkmeister
12-21-2004, 01:58 AM
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Yeah. Fold preflop.

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Nah.
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)
12-21-2004, 02:00 AM
I'm with SinCity on this one.
chesspain
12-21-2004, 02:07 AM
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Yeah. Fold preflop.

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Nah.

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C'mon Clark...besides for Hero having a crappy kicker, his position relative to the raiser sucks.
Clarkmeister
12-21-2004, 02:09 AM
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Yeah. Fold preflop.

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Nah.

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C'mon Clark...besides for Hero having a crappy kicker, his position relative to the raiser sucks.

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Just because the situation isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's not +EV. Yes, I'd rather have better relative position, but I'll live with that given my hand, the number of opponents, and my absolute position.
SinCityGuy
12-21-2004, 02:13 AM
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Just because the situation isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's not +EV. Yes, I'd rather have better relative position, but I'll live with that given my hand, the number of opponents, and my absolute position.

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It's +EV for you, but it isn't for most small stakes players. They're not always going to flop two-pair or a nut flush draw. If there was one more player in, it would probably sway it toward a call for me.

At any rate, it's not a huge mistake to fold or call here.
Brash620
12-21-2004, 02:18 AM
Fold to two bets on the flop. With the preflop raise and the limp raise I would suspect that you are up against a high over pair. Your ace outs may be good but I wouldn't count on it.
sthief09
12-21-2004, 02:24 AM
you're good at tearing down everything I think I know about this game. I'm confused
Clarkmeister
12-21-2004, 02:25 AM
LOL
sthief09
12-21-2004, 02:27 AM
would this cold call be correct in a higher game, like PP 15/30, or does it depend on the opponents being clueless

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EDIT: I just saw there were 3 limpers. I didn't realize that
SinCityGuy
12-21-2004, 02:30 AM
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would this cold call be correct in a higher game, like PP 15/30, or does it depend on the opponents being clueless

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I think it depends more on being able to get away from an ace high flop with action and no backdoor draws. Like I said before, these hands tend to be very problematic for most small stakes players.
droolie
12-21-2004, 09:19 AM
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, MP1 calls $2 (All-In), Hero calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG+2 calls $1 (All-In), Hero calls.

River: (15.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Thoughts?

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Reads would really help here. UTG+1 &amp; MP1 both going all-in makes me suspicious.

I don't understand the thought process on the pf cap. I too would fold pf.

On the flop you're only dealing with two almost all-in players. Why three-bet? If they get all their money in here they see the rest of the hand free. You're certainly not making either of them fold and you're way behind any middle to high pocket pair. Your implied odds suck.