sng $10 play (long)

[imported_comguy4321]

Hello again,
Here are a few hands that I have questions on. I hope you guys don't mind alot of posts, and alot of questions. I'm trying to get past the learning curve as fast as possibe. Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

ok,first of all, I followed the directions in the "How to beat $10 party sng's" with this first hand, but what are the odds that I'll win. I did win, but how often will I?
I did what the guide told me to do in this case.

#Game No : 1327724648
***** Hand History for Game 1327724648 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:8045872 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, December 20, 22:28:48 EDT 2004
Table Table 12163 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Brockbonds ( $305 )
Seat 3: thekid_1 ( $1065 )
Seat 4: breadman69 ( $440 )
Seat 5: skydivr ( $540 )
Seat 7: JUSTDOIT7777 ( $1785 )
Seat 10: kman71 ( $1550 )
Seat 9: nickto212 ( $775 )
Seat 8: spider8sin ( $795 )
Seat 1: cheekdogg ( $745 )
Trny:8045872 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nickto212 [ Ac Kh ]
skydivr folds.
JUSTDOIT7777 calls [15].
spider8sin calls [15].
nickto212 raises [30].
kman71 raises [45].
cheekdogg folds.
Brockbonds folds.
thekid_1 folds.
breadman69 folds.
JUSTDOIT7777 calls [30].
spider8sin calls [30].
nickto212 is all-In.
kman71 calls [730].
JUSTDOIT7777 folds.
spider8sin folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 3c, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
kman71 shows [ Qh, Qd ] two pairs, queens and eights.
nickto212 shows [ Ac, Kh ] two pairs, aces and eights.
nickto212 wins 1665 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights.


Secondly,
I have pocket queens in this next situation,and I think I play pre-flop right, but then I run into a straight possibility, and I didn't know how to handle it. Any suggestions?

#Game No : 1327740300
***** Hand History for Game 1327740300 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:8045872 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, December 20, 22:31:56 EDT 2004
Table Table 12163 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Brockbonds ( $990 )
Seat 3: thekid_1 ( $1055 )
Seat 4: breadman69 ( $120 )
Seat 5: skydivr ( $220 )
Seat 7: JUSTDOIT7777 ( $1710 )
Seat 10: kman71 ( $745 )
Seat 9: nickto212 ( $1665 )
Seat 8: spider8sin ( $750 )
Seat 1: cheekdogg ( $745 )
Trny:8045872 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nickto212 [ Qd Qs ]
nickto212 raises [125].
kman71 folds.
cheekdogg folds.
Brockbonds folds.
thekid_1 folds.
breadman69 folds.
skydivr is all-In.
JUSTDOIT7777 calls [205].
spider8sin folds.
nickto212 calls [95].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Ac, 5c ]
JUSTDOIT7777 checks.
nickto212 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
JUSTDOIT7777 checks.
nickto212 bets [150].
JUSTDOIT7777 calls [150].
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
JUSTDOIT7777 checks.
nickto212 checks.
JUSTDOIT7777 shows [ 7h, 7c ] two pairs, sevens and fives.
nickto212 shows [ Qd, Qs ] two pairs, queens and fives.
skydivr doesn't show [ Js, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and fives.
skydivr finished in ninth place.
nickto212 wins 300 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and fives.
nickto212 wins 690 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and fives.
skydivr has left the table.
Game #1327750196 starts.


Then, I made a mistake, I think (coin flip?) and lost most of my chips. I should have folded after his raise of $700, right?

#Game No : 1327793830
***** Hand History for Game 1327793830 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:8045872 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Monday, December 20, 22:43:11 EDT 2004
Table Table 12163 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: Brockbonds ( $840 )
Seat 3: thekid_1 ( $1975 )
Seat 7: JUSTDOIT7777 ( $455 )
Seat 10: kman71 ( $160 )
Seat 9: nickto212 ( $2230 )
Seat 8: spider8sin ( $1010 )
Seat 1: cheekdogg ( $1330 )
Trny:8045872 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nickto212 [ Kd As ]
thekid_1 calls [50].
JUSTDOIT7777 folds.
spider8sin folds.
nickto212 raises [275].
kman71 folds.
cheekdogg folds.
Brockbonds folds.
thekid_1 raises [450].
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nickto212 calls [225].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Ks, Qd ]
thekid_1 bets [700].
nickto212 is all-In.
thekid_1 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
thekid_1 shows [ Ac, Ad ] a pair of aces.
nickto212 shows [ Kd, As ] a pair of kings.
nickto212 wins 255 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
thekid_1 wins 4025 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
Game #1327801933 starts.




And finally,
Hurray!!! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I was told by a fellow player that this was a bad play. Is it? The party $10 sng guide says to raise with these cards if I have a good stack, but I was raised, and I should have folded. I see that now. I gambled and lost.

#Game No : 1327879241
***** Hand History for Game 1327879241 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:8045872 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, December 20, 23:00:47 EDT 2004
Table Table 12163 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Brockbonds ( $1015 )
Seat 3: thekid_1 ( $2200 )
Seat 9: nickto212 ( $870 )
Seat 8: spider8sin ( $1970 )
Seat 1: cheekdogg ( $1945 )
Trny:8045872 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nickto212 [ Td Jd ]
thekid_1 folds.
spider8sin raises [400].
nickto212 is all-In.
cheekdogg folds.
Brockbonds folds.
spider8sin calls [470].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Kd, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
spider8sin shows [ 8h, Kh ] three of a kind, kings.
nickto212 shows [ Td, Jd ] a pair of kings.
nickto212 finished in fifth place.




Thank you for putting up with my long post, and thanks for any help in advance. Steve.

[citanul]

Hello:

Hand 1:

I don't know what guide you think you were reading when you saw the advice "mini-raise behind limpers at level 1 with AKo," but it surely wasn't any guide that anyone here has at any point spoken about with any regard. Perhaps what you were reading was "Mastering Party Poker," or something like that.

Raise a real number of chips, not 15. A number that has been thrown about lately is 2x(sum of limpers) + 3x(big blind). That would be much better. You also, among other things, get a better idea what range of hands you can put your opponent on when he reraises you.

Seeing as how you miniraised, and were miniraised back, the push preflop isn't The Most Horrible play you have available to you, but it is surely pretty bad. You're raising 730 into a pot containing less than 200. While you will take it down a fair amount, and be called by hands you dominate occasionally at the 10s, you will be called by hands you are racing at best with a large majority of the time, I think, and there's just plain old no reason to do that at this stage in the tournament.

Hand 2:

The raise preflop to 125 is a little bigger than most like to make it. 90-100 is generally the norm, but the 125 isn't that terrible.

Look at this hand and compare it to the last one: In this one you raised a somewhat normal amount. Why not last time? In this one, check the action, when the action gets back to you, you have ~550 dead chips in the middle, and the 3rd best hand in holdem. Reraise! One of your opponents has chips left (is not all in) and you have the 3rd best hand in holdem. If he folds, he folds, but then you've got the all in guy heads up for the 550 chips. That's a good thing!

Hand 3:

You got limp reraised by the only stack that can bust you. Watch out for that stuff. People *generally* don't limp reraise with less than AK. It didn't hurt you terribly to see a flop, because his limp reraise was small enough that it BEGGED for a call. (Another sign you should have been looking out.) on the flop, well you flopped top pair top kicker, with an inside straight draw.

However, put your opponent on a hand. He limp reraised you. Put him on a range of hands that's WIDE for that circumstance, say AA-JJ, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ. You're ahead of two of those hands and tieing one. And you're only there because I gave him a crazy set of hands. Flat out, that flop came bad for you. You have to be prepared to fold "good" hands sometimes when all signs point to trouble.

Hand 4:

Your play here is terrible-ish. On the one hand, the guide may say to raise with that hand if you have a good stack. On the other, you do not have a good stack. On the one hand, you have a guy raising into you. On the other, you have only 4BB, so you can't wait around much for a hand, and you're going to have to win a hand or two in order to make the money. When thinking about what to do in that situation however, remember that there is no way your opponent who has raised into you is going to fold to your all in raise. So you want to have a good hand if you are entering a pot that someone else is committed to.

In general, when the blinds are big, the object is to take the blinds. You can't do that when there's someone else stuck in the pot with you. So, it's better to enter a pot with say, 54s first in, with some folding equity, than to enter a pot with QJs, that someone else has already tied themself to.

I think you need to post some questions of the general type, if you don't firmly know your answers to them, or at least look in the $10 sng guide for some help. Some of these questions should be things like "if everyone's stacks are equal, how much should I raise, when I raise?" Or, "How many BB need to be in a stack before you consider it a 'good stack'?" "What should I think when my opponent limp reraises?" "What kind of hands should I fold when someone wants to play for all the chips in early levels?"

Happy hunting,

citanul

[imported_comguy4321]

thanks for your response. On the first hand where I have AKo,(I'm using AleoMagus's guide to $10 sng's) it says to open raise 3bb's, and if raised, go all in.

Ahhhh. I see, 3 bb's is 90. Is that a correct play?
I made a mistake of only raising 30.
Steve.

[ChrisV]

Hand 1: OK, let's get one thing out of the way for both this hand and hand 2. Standard raise preflop is 3x the big blind, plus somewhere between 1x and 2x what any limpers have put in, depending on taste. (Reraise amounts are trickier, but you can't go far wrong with "lots").

You should have raised more preflop. Later actions would have been different then. The push preflop when it came back round to you was a bit reckless. You are better off just calling and seeing a flop. AK is not that amazing a hand at this level.

Hand 2: You should take the opportunity to reraise preflop (I think it should allow you to?). Think about this: what flop are you hoping to hit against this guy? You might hope for Txx or Jxx if he has AT or AJ, but an A or K on the flop (or him hitting a set and busting you) is more likely. Get the money in preflop while you're almost certainly ahead.

Hand 3: Yes, you should have folded on the flop. Your only hope on that board is that he has AK as well and that possibility isn't worth putting your stack on the line for. His minimum reraise preflop is a "milking" raise and usually means AA or KK.

Hand 4: Yes, this was very bad. You need a pretty strong hand to get involved when someone else has already raised. Something like AJ or 88 would be the minimum here. Jack high won't cut it. You are short stacked though and should look to raise over the next couple of hands with anything approaching a hand. I would fold both the next hands if I got total rags (42o, 63o) but would raise allin with anything half decent (say T8s). Not getting eaten by the blinds is very important.