Bet the flop with Quad AA?

[shadow29]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (11.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ad Ac (four of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB. </font>

[Mr_RC]

Well hindsight is 20/20...that you got two callers on the turn would make it likely you would have had callers on the flop. However, the turn could have made someone a flush draw which allowed them to call you on the turn. It seems hard to win a large pot with quad aces; still, given the pre-flop cap I think you should be able to expect one or two callers on the flop.

[wcsherry]

last time i flopped quad aces i bet the flop. let the results speak for themselves.

your flop is a good one to bet at though as by betting you'll give those on the flush draw pot odds to call

Quad Aces (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=micro&amp;Number=1412224&amp;Forum =All_Forums&amp;Words=&amp;Searchpage=0&amp;Limit=25&amp;Main=1412 224&amp;Search=true&amp;where=bodysub&amp;Name=16030&amp;daterange =1&amp;newerval=1&amp;newertype=w&amp;olderval=&amp;oldertype=&amp;bod yprev=#Post1412224)

~WC

[Stork]

I like the flop check because based on the preflop action, I'd expect a bet from either MP3 or button.

[ThreeAces]

I am often tempted to slow-play in Micro games. I am rarely sorry after fighting off the temptation. I am often sorry after succumbing to it. For what its worth.

[btspider]

quads.. aces no less.. it doesn't matter.

the flop check is fine. i doubt someone will bet, but hopefully someone boats up or the 3-flush comes in on the turn and you get some action.

[shadow29]

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quads.. aces no less.. it doesn't matter.



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[mr pink]

i think he's saying it doesnt matter if its quad aces, any quads will do.

just for the record, i love the flop check.

[ThreeAces]

I think he means that, as a practical matter , flopped quad aces is as good as flopped quad twos.

[btspider]

it means you could open-fold flopped quads and your winrate wouldn't be noticeably different.

focus on more common scenarios. obviously playing flopped quads is fun, but you can't really play the hand wrong as long as you don't check it down all the way.

edit: by "aces no less" i am referring to the often documented fact* that slowplaying a set of Aces is usually useless.. you've crippled the deck so no one even has a chance of making a second best hand on a drawless board.. unless you allow them to hit long-shot runner-runners by giving up a free card. with a set of deuces and shorthanded.. it is sometimes correct to slowplay. with a set of Aces.. slowplaying is less correct. quad Aces means the deck is completely crippled.. so there may be no second best hand for people to make. here at least others capped PF, so you can hope they hit their longshots on the turn and give you lots of action.

* editedit: well, not fact.. concept.. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[shadow29]

Right. I wasn't that worried about it. It was just my first big hand at 1/2. I was excited! Be happy for me, my spider friend. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Hack]

Yeah, it's hard to play these wrong, because you will only flop quads with a pocket pair .26% of the time. That means that over the long run, you can expect to flop quads with a pocket pair about one out of every 400 times.

Maybe you get to make this error once out of every 100k hands(get a pocket pair 1 out of every 16 hands, flop quads with your pockets 1/400( math is 1/400*1/16). It's far more important to squeeze value out of hands like TPTK and two pair, imo.

My math could be wrong.

[Hack]

Nice hand.

The problem with quads is that you have destroyed the deck and it gives no one else an opportunity to make anything. The best you could have hoped for was that someone had pocket Jacks and flopped a boat.