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PokerBob
12-20-2004, 07:09 PM
I felt weird about this, but I think I did it right. Please comment.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (24.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB
davelin
12-20-2004, 07:14 PM
Just check/call the turn. No more equity to bet/raise.
milesdyson
12-20-2004, 07:14 PM
Check the turn, you no longer have enough pot equity to be betting and raising.
droolie
12-20-2004, 07:16 PM
I don't like the turn line. I would check/call this turn.
Lost Wages
12-20-2004, 07:16 PM
The flop is fine but you were way out of line on the turn.

With 2 cards to come you are only 1.9:1 against making a flush by the river which is why it's OK to pump it against 3 opponents. When the turn misses you drop to 4.1:1 against. Since, judging by the action, it looks like you'll need a flush to win, you don't have the odds to pump your draw on the turn.

Lost Wages
milesdyson
12-20-2004, 07:17 PM
Lol, this is great.
IsaacW
12-20-2004, 07:20 PM
Do you have an equity edge on the turn to 3bet with only 4 people in the pot? If your "5" outs are good for the straight, then I suppose you have 12 outs in 46 cards. That's just a hair over 26% equity. There's no reason to suspect a 6 is out there based on the action, so perhaps this is correct, but it seems fairly thin.

EDIT: If this action means a set is out there (certainly possible), then some of your spade outs are unclean, making this definitely wrong.
Jaran
12-20-2004, 07:30 PM
pf- all right
flop- g00t!
turn- ugh. check/call. no value here.
river- yup.

-Jaran
Nick C
12-20-2004, 07:31 PM
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Do you have an equity edge on the turn to 3bet with only 4 people in the pot? If your "5" outs are good for the straight, then I suppose you have 12 outs in 46 cards. That's just a hair over 26% equity. There's no reason to suspect a 6 is out there based on the action, so perhaps this is correct, but it seems fairly thin.

EDIT: If this action means a set is out there (certainly possible), then some of your spade outs are unclean, making this definitely wrong.

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I think it's good to consider Hero's straight outs, but something else to take into account (besides some potentially unclean spade outs) is that Hero may not have the only ace. (Also, I'm not sure we can completely rule out 65 as a potential holding for one of Hero's opponents.)