What will happen to vintage Paulson?

[Doctor Jay]

Check out the Paulson re-release of the James Bond chip:

http://www.dice702.com/paulsonpokerchips.htm

What will this do to the prices of the original Bond's and other Paulson chips? I'm not a big fan of the "paulson chips" mold, but could get used to it for a decent price. Also, what do you guys think of the edge marks? Is this the beginning of better days in the home chip market?

P.S. Glad I barely missed overpaying for old Bond's on ebay yesterday!!!

[Slow Play Ray]

NICE design choice! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

As for your question - it will drive the prices down something to true collectors...but I would wager that 95% of people that overpay for these chips are actually buying them for use...so I would expect the prices to level back out pretty quickly as word gets out these are available.

I like 'em...I definitely like 'em. Hmmmmm.........

[MeridianFC]

It looks pretty much like the old Paulson home game chip, though they've made all the edge spots 4 doubles and altered the coloring on the blue chip (it used to be dark blue with a single teal/turquoise spot X4).

The Paulson Chip mold doesn't really bother me.

As for what it'll do to the "vintage" Paulson I don't know. I have 1K now. $2/chip anyone? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Doctor Jay]

Here's are the Paulson's from trademark.com:

http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp

100,000 minimum custom order and you can't even customize the base color or edge marks!!! WTF? Any dream of a customizable Paulson anytime soon is now crap. Think about it... "Well, we need a 100,000 chip order just to change our beautiful inlay to your own. Maybe at 1,000,000 chips we'll think about letting you change an edge spot. In the meantime, we'll be taking your 1.25$ per chip" I guess it's chipco time.

[warewulf]

I think they will have to change those policies soon. I wont order anything with that mold, others have said the same. They'll probably get some orders, but I wouldn't think ANY design would sell well with that mold. Especially since ALL will have to use the exact same colors. How boring!

[Slow Play Ray]

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Here's are the Paulson's from trademark.com:

http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp

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People are going to buy these by the droves. I kind of like the generic nature of the set, but the top hat and cane background on the inlay is just a TAD bit overkill on the self-promotion...hats off to the marketing folks at GPI though - they sure know how to capitalize.

[TenPercenter]

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Here's are the Paulson's from trademark.com:

http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp

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People are going to buy these by the droves. ...hats off to the marketing folks at GPI though - they sure know how to capitalize.

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Agreed. None of us "regulars" would dream of buying a set of 11.5g chips, yet people buy kajillions of them. These Paulsons will sell.

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[Johnny5]

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hats off to the marketing folks at GPI

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"Hats off" Is that a request? What about the canes?

Personally, I think GPI are a bunch of morons. This is the best stuff then can come up with? Come on. If they can't see the market potential for real Paulson chips (especially customizable ones like they used to offer), then their marketing needs to wake the [Censored] up.

J5

100,000 minimum order - (250,000) for best volume pricing - WTF? How many CASINOS are buying this many chips - Seriously?

[Slow Play Ray]

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hats off to the marketing folks at GPI

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"Hats off" Is that a request? What about the canes?

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heh.

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Personally, I think GPI are a bunch of morons. This is the best stuff then can come up with? Come on. If they can't see the market potential for real Paulson chips (especially customizable ones like they used to offer), then their marketing needs to wake the [Censored] up.

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I think you're having trouble visualizing the MINISCULE population of chip buyers we represent. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard someone talking about these "awesome new poker chips" they bought, which turn out to be plastic dice or suits. As soon as word gets out, these new Paulsons are going to blow these people's minds. So, I am not saying GPI's marketing did a good job of making a product for us (the "informed"), I am saying they did a good job of marketing to everyone else (the "uninformed"), and they are going to make some serious loot for the company by doing so. It's all about money, don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise! And in that sense, they did a hell of a job...

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100,000 minimum order - (250,000) for best volume pricing - WTF? How many CASINOS are buying this many chips - Seriously?

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Most of my casino experience is at Foxwoods, but I can tell you they probably have ~1,000-2,000 chips at every table, and there are TONS of tables - probably 100+ poker tables alone. I can't even imagine how many more chips they have in the cages. 250,000 does not seem like that many chips to me...

[Johnny5]

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I think you're having trouble visualizing the MINISCULE population of chip buyers we represent.

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Thanks, but I think I may be able to grasp the concepts at play here. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Sorry, but I disagree with just about everything you are saying. What has GPI done to market these? We only know about them because we scour the internet in search of real chips (ie. Paulsons, Chipcos etc...), and because some decent retailers are demanding them to fill the void. The average person you speak of, with their 11.5 gram dice/suited chips are not going to buy the Paulsons at $1+/chip when they can get entire sets of the 'awesome' cheap ones for $40. Also, if the informed chip buyers represent such small numbers, why did the cost of Paulsons triple to over $2/chip during the past year and a half? Its called demand.

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So, I am not saying GPI's marketing did a good job of making a product for us (the "informed"), I am saying they did a good job of marketing to everyone else (the "uninformed"), and they are going to make some serious loot for the company by doing so. It's all about money, don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise! And in that sense, they did a hell of a job...


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In case you didn't know, Paulson selling chips to the public is not a new thing. They cut off the supply for 2 years, but they used to offer custom chips, (all kinds of edgespots/colors/inlay sizes etc...) for much less than any supplier is currently doing.


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Most of my casino experience is at Foxwoods, but I can tell you they probably have ~1,000-2,000 chips at every table, and there are TONS of tables - probably 100+ poker table alone. I can't even imagine how many more chips they have in the cages. 250,000 does not seem like that many chips to me...

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Oh - Foxwoods, you mean the LARGEST CASINO IN THE WORLD?? Sorry, but this casino does not represent the average casino.

J5

[PinataUT]

Paulson may move in the direction of 'true custom' at some point. Meantime, if they are indeed keeping the numbers in the 100,000 range that means they are trying to get more chips moved out through resellers. Doing 'one-offs' might let them get a bigger slice of the home market pie at some point, but they have yet to see if it is really worth the time and distraction...

Vintage stuff continues to go up in price... just my guess.

My $.04

[warewulf]

I understand that many will buy these chips with that mold, but why wouldn't they want to market towards everyone? From what I read on these boards the majority hate that mold. I understand that they dont want to use the actual TH&C mold, but COME ON! Make a mold that doesn't look so damn commercial! The whole point of getting chips is to have them seem authentic. I'd be happy if they just left the two TH&C marks on the sides, maybe put them on the top and bottom or something. Anything is better than having a brand name on a chip. Chipco handles this with the CI on all customs. I wouldn't mind a PC somewhere, just not the whole brand name TWICE in HUGE letters.

[Johnny5]

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Paulson may move in the direction of 'true custom' at some point.

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Do you know something I don't?

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Doing 'one-offs' might let them get a bigger slice of the home market pie at some point, but they have yet to see if it is really worth the time and distraction...

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They do have a lot of past experience with doing 'one-offs'. They were doing this for several retailers quite sucessfully and stopped when the merge with BG happened. At the time, they also had many 'fantasy' sets available (Gamblers Pleasure, Good Luck Club, Viva Las Vegas, Royal Flush, Various sports themes etc...)

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I'd be happy if they just left the two TH&C marks on the sides, maybe put them on the top and bottom or something. Anything is better than having a brand name on a chip. Chipco handles this with the CI on all customs. I wouldn't mind a PC somewhere, just not the whole brand name TWICE in HUGE letters.

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I agree, though Chipco doesn't put the 'CI' on its chips for advertising. They never required it on their custom chips until BG (and others?) started making VERY similar ceramic chips.

J5

[Slow Play Ray]

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...if the informed chip buyers represent such small numbers, why did the cost of Paulsons triple to over $2/chip during the past year and a half? Its called demand.

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Yes - and with Paulson chips in such low SUPPLY (the other half of the equation), it did not take all that much extra DEMAND (relatively speaking) to drive the prices up. I took Economics 101 too! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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What has GPI done to market these?

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I think this conversation got away from my original point. When I said "hats off to the marketing team..." I was referring to the PAULSON CHIPS mold and the Top Hat + Cane background on the inlay of those generic denomination chips. They are plastering their name and logo everywhere they possibly can on these chips to make themselves synonymous with poker chips to everyone who uses them - and that's just good (albeit highly annoying to folks like us) marketing.

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Oh - Foxwoods, you mean the LARGEST CASINO IN THE WORLD?? Sorry, but this casino does not represent the average casino.

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Yes, I am well aware that Foxwoods is the largest casino in the world - that is why I used only the poker room as an example. There are easily 100,000+ chips in use in that one room w/ about 100 tables at any given moment, which makes that number seem not so large for an average casino to order.

[PinataUT]

Do you know something I don't?

I suspect that the re-entry into the home market will demonstrate a desire for Paulson chips. As they capture (or help create) increased demand for higher end chips, they may start looking at how to get more out of that market. Just seems easier to stick to large orders at first, them move back into custom.

Maybe they'd work through some resellers like ChipCo works through some other folks for custom? Heck, I'd start putting together proposals for that kind of thing if I already did artwork / distribution for another chip manufacturer...

[Johnny5]

/images/graemlins/confused.gif When was the demand for Paulsons ever so low that they require a demonstration of demand?? Are they completely blind? They had the high-end custom chip market completely cornered, and made a terrible decision to get out of that market at the exact time it was exploding! They are the ones who opened the door to Chipco & others. They even provided the exact model to Chipco who simply stepped in and filled the gap that Paulson left. The original custom Paulson retailers are still around, they haven't gone anywhere.

Paulson left these retailers hanging (I had a couple of long discussions with 2 retailers at the time) with zero notice, and unsympathetic response to any request to fill existing orders etc...

J5

[warewulf]

Yup, they sure missed the boat this year! There was a report on the news last week that Poker merchandise sales have quadrupled since last year. Paulson is just a tad late on these. Looks like they'll be in time for Valentine's day though...

[Accident]

I agree w/the statement about people who DONT appreciate nice chips. I have only had 3 out of about 20 who have said they really like using my chips over the crap everyone else has. I have the Oysters(chipco), the Egyptian's(chipco/Tenpercenter's) "Fabulous Las Vegas", and various real casino vegas chips by paulson and no one appreciates them.
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[TenPercenter]

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I agree w/the statement about people who DONT appreciate nice chips. I have only had 3 out of about 20 who have said they really like using my chips over the crap everyone else has. I have the Oysters(chipco), the Egyptian's(chipco/Tenpercenter's) "Fabulous Las Vegas", and various real casino vegas chips by paulson and no one appreciates them.
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One of my friends is really "into" poker. He has has dice chips, hot stamped, and earnestly belives that they are the best thing in the world. I used my Egyptians for a tourney, and he looked one over and said, "Are these the full 11.5 grams?" As if 11.5g is the "official" weight that all gaming chips should be. I said, no, they're exactly 10 grams, just like casino chips. It didn't go any further than that, we both made our points.

The thing is, he's a smart guy. Just misinformed, or rather uninformed. All he knows is whatever that advertisement said that enticed him to buy the weighted plastic chips.

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[Slow Play Ray]

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The thing is, he's a smart guy. Just misinformed, or rather uninformed. All he knows is whatever that advertisement said that enticed him to buy the weighted plastic chips.

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Bingo.

[Eric H]

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I agree w/the statement about people who DONT appreciate nice chips.

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I have had a very similar experience. I have a set of 700 Paulson "Bond" chips. The players in my home game group don't seem to care if you have nice chips. In fact, one of the houses were we play uses a cheap set of chips from Target and no one seems to care. All they want to do is play poker.

[Johnny5]

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One of my friends is really "into" poker. He has has dice chips, hot stamped, and earnestly belives that they are the best thing in the world.

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Exactly, I think everyone here has friends like this. Some of these people are even members here!

The mass hype/availability/price of the 11.5 gram plastic chip is the reason why Chipcos/Paulsons(new or old design) will not appeal to the average Joe.

J5

[Johnny5]

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[TenPercenter]

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A message from the Joker's Lounge (http://saymail.sympatico.ca/card/rGOn7Gfv2rgug7DaXDYqlW)

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/images/graemlins/smile.gif That's funny. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[Zion007]

That is excellent.

The "pre-sale" has started. They say they'll run out, and trademarkpoker.com is overpriced. Shall I buy now or later?

[Slow Play Ray]

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That is excellent.

The "pre-sale" has started. They say they'll run out, and trademarkpoker.com is overpriced. Shall I buy now or later?

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There will surely be more, if you're willing to wait.

[unloaded]

They have a few actual photos up now. The mold looks better than in the drawings. I could live with a set of them.

peace.
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[PinataUT]

If the retail on Nevada Jacks at that site is $1.25 do you think that might mean they are moving in with Nevada Jack retail pricing? Man I'd love being able to get a nice quality chip (even if I don't like the design that much) at that kind of price...