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zephyr

12-19-2004, 02:45 PM

In an effort to improve my play of AK, I've decided to post all of my AK hands from the 4 sng's I'm playing right now. I'll post them individually as responses to this post. I welcome all comments, and realize that many of the hands will be pretty "standard".

Zephyr

zephyr

12-19-2004, 02:51 PM

This was around hand 3 and the villain had been involved in every pot so far.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t785)
UTG (t740)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t700)
MP2 (t820)
MP3 (t450)
CO (t865)
Button (t1270)
SB (t785)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 3 folds, Hero raises to t80, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t450 (All-In), Hero calls t370.

Flop: (t925) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t925) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t925) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t925

zephyr

12-19-2004, 02:53 PM

Pretty standard...I think.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1250)
SB (t895)
BB (t770)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t700)
MP1 (t690)
MP2 (t865)
MP3 (t1270)
CO (t775)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls t75, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t220) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t125, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t345

zephyr

12-19-2004, 03:01 PM

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Hero (t600)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t2275)
CO (t1540)
Button (t845)
SB (t1060)
BB (t765)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises to t600 (All-In), 6 folds.

Final Pot: t750

zephyr

12-19-2004, 03:49 PM

This hand comes from my second set of sng's. I could have just as easily pushed the flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t775)
MP1 (t850)
MP2 (t1110)
MP3 (t770)
CO (t695)
Button (t770)
SB (t750)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t775)
UTG+1 (t485)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 1 fold, MP2 calls t75, 4 folds, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t310) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t300, MP2 folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t610

zephyr

12-19-2004, 03:53 PM

My preflop raise probably wasn't big enough as it didn't do much to limit the field. Any suggestions of what to do after a min raise preflop. I don't like just calling, but I don't like commiting a lot of chips either. The flop seemed like a pretty easy fold.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t775)
Button (t860)
SB (t445)
BB (t785)
UTG (t595)
UTG+1 (t790)
UTG+2 (t1225)
MP1 (t905)
MP2 (t775)
MP3 (t845)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to t30, MP1 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, SB calls t90, 1 fold, UTG calls t85, UTG+2 calls t70, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t445) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets t345 (All-In), UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t790

bigredlemon

12-19-2004, 03:57 PM

I like your AK play here. Although it seems like betting less might encourage people to call and so you win more chips, I find that it hurts more in the long as you loose a big pot to a suck out.

Btw, are you the same Zephyr of saskatoon from RFD? If so, small world! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

zephyr

12-19-2004, 04:28 PM

When I'm called on the flop I'm worried and ready to shut it down to much more action. When it's my turn to act on the river I just can't see having a bet called by a worse hand. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1365)
Button (t860)
SB (t755)
BB (t120)
UTG (t610)
UTG+1 (t1240)
MP1 (t1580)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, MP1 calls t120.

Flop: (t345) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t175, MP1 calls t175.

Turn: (t695) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t695) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t695

zephyr

12-19-2004, 04:29 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t930)
CO (t2029)
Button (t1180)
SB (t485)
BB (t575)
UTG (t790)
MP1 (t2011)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 4 folds.

Final Pot: t225

zephyr

12-19-2004, 04:30 PM

I think this is an easy call at the 10's, but what about the 30's. What about higher?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t2405)
UTG+1 (t860)
MP1 (t690)
MP2 (t285)
CO (t1185)
Button (t910)
SB (t635)
BB (t1030)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to t150, 4 folds, Button raises to t910 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls t760.

Flop: (t1895) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1895) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1895) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1895

rjb03

12-19-2004, 04:32 PM

[ QUOTE ]
When I'm called on the flop I'm worried and ready to shut it down to much more action. When it's my turn to act on the river I just can't see having a bet called by a worse hand. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1365)
Button (t860)
SB (t755)
BB (t120)
UTG (t610)
UTG+1 (t1240)
MP1 (t1580)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, MP1 calls t120.

Flop: (t345) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t175, MP1 calls t175.

Turn: (t695) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t695) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t695

[/ QUOTE ]

I also can't see a check by a hand that beats you. Obviously the missed flush draw will not call you, but perhaps the K or J was one of the spades he held in his hand. I also don't really like the flop bet.

adanthar

12-19-2004, 04:33 PM

In Hand 4, I think 200 is a better bet since it leaves you a little more wiggle room to something like a raise/call behind.

Bet the river in Hand 6. Since he checked the river, unless he had the draw he probably called the flop with a pair of some type that you're now beating. He could even have QJ and have whiffed on the turn checkraise but must now call a smallish river bet. A 7 bets here. You're ahead and might get an extra 100-200 out of him.

zephyr

12-19-2004, 04:46 PM

Just a note. I posted each hand individually so that comments can go as responses to the individual hand. It may keep things a touch more organinzed.

Zephyr

zephyr

12-19-2004, 04:50 PM

I think you're right about hand 6. A Q will possibly call a smallish bet. I just don't want to give him a chance to outplay me as I'm folding if he raises me. Nevertheless, I think a bets probably correct.

Zephyr

zephyr

12-20-2004, 02:13 AM

Comments...anyone?

partygirluk

12-20-2004, 02:22 AM

You seem to be betting more when you pair the flop than when you don't. An observant opponent will pick up on this and steal the pot from you.

captZEEbo1

12-20-2004, 02:45 AM

nobody is that observant at party. I mean everytime he bet those flops and people folded, none of the opponents knew if he held AK or AA

captZEEbo1

12-20-2004, 02:47 AM

I never know what to do in these situations. I find it's often a pocket pair or an AQ. I guess in this situation you have a TON of chips and can handle a coinflip loss fairly easily.

Crosby

12-20-2004, 03:47 AM

You mention that you don't like it, but I would suggest just calling the 30 preflop. If you are going to raise, I believe you need to raise enough to give yourself some chance of taking down the pot, say around 200. IMO, you don't have enough chips to just raise the AK for value and then fold if you miss. You're going to want to take some shots sometimes when you miss because the pot will be around half your stack, and I don't think you want to be taking these risks at the 10/15 level with your stack. So I'm for a cheap flop or a big raise, interested in other opinions.

Crosby

12-20-2004, 03:56 AM

Ive played 50s, 100s, and occasionally 200s and I would normally make this call. The way I see it, you are still in a solid position if you lose, and you can really run over the table at the 50-100 level if you win. I don't think you have any reason to assume you are likely to be worse than a slight underdog.

Crosby

12-20-2004, 04:02 AM

I think the flop bet is stretching it. With two backdoor draws and two overcards, you'd really like to see the turn, but you have to fold to a raise. I like raising less preflop, and oftentimes taking a free turn card at this point in the tourney in this spot.

Crosby

12-20-2004, 04:10 AM

Just wanted to point out that with the Ah redraw, I think you could check this or bet around half the pot depending on the players involved. You're not terribly likely to lose this pot if you're ahead. Preflop I'll often call here, but it seems like you get a lot of coldcalls in your game so you're probably doing the right thing.

Crosby

12-20-2004, 04:13 AM

Looks fine, though I think I'd usually bet a little more on the flop because I wouldn't want him to think this is a good opportunity to reraise allin and pick up the pot.

Sluss

12-20-2004, 09:43 AM

I constantly do this at 30s and 50s. I'm starting to question though if it is the correct play. Sometimes when I'm sure it's a coinflip I will call or put someone all in. I love it when I win and pick up a monster stack, but hate it when I lose a chunk of my hard earned chips.

Maybe, I'm just clouding my thinking because I've lost 22 of my last 35 coinflips this past week. /images/graemlins/frown.gif