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Joe_d72
12-16-2004, 10:13 PM
If you had to take one player to start your team, you would have to be stupid not to take Lebron. Right?

ThaSaltCracka
12-16-2004, 10:19 PM
um, no. I'll still take KG or Duncan. Lebron is top 5 though, fo shizzle.

NLSoldier
12-16-2004, 10:22 PM
I watched the lebron highlights over and over at the casino last night. Amazing. I would still take KG though. Lebron is for sure top 5 and his youth vaults him into top 3 or so as far as starting a franchise goes.

fsuplayer
12-16-2004, 11:42 PM
the title of your post and the text that followed arent one and the same.

lebron is not the best in the NBA. period.

OTOH, there is no one i would rather build a franchise around.

but as far as wanting to win in the next three years, give me shaq, duncan, or KG.

MarkL444
12-16-2004, 11:51 PM
not tonight

detroit what

VBM
12-16-2004, 11:53 PM
nope, not yet...

today, i take Tim Duncan.

DontRaisePlz
12-17-2004, 12:11 AM
A primary option at the guard position who can shoot at a 50%+ clip? That's almost unheard of nowadays. The rebounds and assists are simply bonuses. Did T-Mac or Kobe ever have a season this good? LeBron could already exceed those two at the age of 19 if this season's lines hold (25/50%/6.5/7).

I'd build around LeBron over anyone and it's not even close. Maybe for the next 2 years only, I'd take Duncan and/or KG.

thatpfunk
12-18-2004, 02:28 AM
To start a franchise and NOT pick Lebron is plain stupid. Age is very important, but I take young Lebron over young Duncan or KG. I wanted to dislike him, but he is just amazing.

CrazyEyez
12-18-2004, 02:38 AM
To start a franchise and NOT pick Lebron is plain stupid.

No it's not. KG, for instance, can bring quite a few things to the table that Lebron cannot.

Non_Comformist
12-18-2004, 02:43 AM
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To start a franchise and NOT pick Lebron is plain stupid.

No it's not. KG, for instance, can bring quite a few things to the table that Lebron cannot.

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The thing is Lebron is still relatively new and exciting where KG gets taken for granted. Both are great but with all things equal I take size and KG. All star gaurds are easy to find than Allstar big men.

Lebron is awesome though

thatpfunk
12-18-2004, 02:46 AM
Compare Lebron age 19 to KG age 19. It's not even close.

A pretty simple and telling stat. After thier first 100 games, the only players to average above 20, 5, and 5:
Oscar
MJ
Grant Hill (who knows what his potential was)
Lebron

Pretty nice list.

Also, in crunch time, it is much more difficult for a big man to create and get an open shot or take over a game. Being albe to shoot free throws in situations like this are huge.

Don't get me wrong, I love KG and think he is one of the best players ever, however, Lebron is just amazing.

DontRaisePlz
12-18-2004, 02:51 AM
Blanket statements like "All-Star guards are easy to come by, big men are not" shouldn't apply to LeBron. It implies that's being molded as a future lone gunman along the lines of an A.I., T-Mac, or Kobe and he's not.

What do big men do? They take high percentage shots and give you offensive efficiency. Thats what guards in the league can't do, they chuck shots instead and go 5-12, 4-13, 9-23, etc. LeBron is hitting at a phenomenal 50% clip despite taking many shots per game.

CrazyEyez
12-18-2004, 03:12 AM
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A pretty simple and telling stat. After thier first 100 games, the only players to average above 20, 5, and 5:
Oscar
MJ
Grant Hill (who knows what his potential was)
Lebron

Pretty nice list.


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Another telling stat is consecutive seasons averaging 20/10/5. KG's at like, 6? 7? I lost count. Only Bird has as many as he does. Will Lebron put up numbers like that consistently? Maybe. But we already KNOW Garnett is doing it. And it's not like he's old (28). Not to mention the most unselfish star in the league and a proven leader.

I hear your Lebron arguements. He has convinced me this season. But it ain't stupid to choose KG to start a new team right now.

tolbiny
12-18-2004, 07:37 AM
"Not to mention the most unselfish star in the league and a proven leader."

Your unselfish star and proven leader took 7 years to win his first playoff series. While he occasionally dominates games he has not yet been able to turn it on in clutch time the way that the "great" players do.

Besides, Lebron will sell more merchandise.

CCx
12-19-2004, 10:59 AM
his turnaround fadeaway jumpshot from the baseline with tongue hanging out as time expired on thursday night at detroit was eerily similar to the other '23'

lebron is the truth, and is a superstar, but he's not the best right now...your question about who would i start a team with can be answered independantly of staking a claim of who is the best player - of course i'd take lebron because of his age and his upside

CrazyEyez
12-19-2004, 04:02 PM
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"Not to mention the most unselfish star in the league and a proven leader."

Your unselfish star and proven leader took 7 years to win his first playoff series. While he occasionally dominates games he has not yet been able to turn it on in clutch time the way that the "great" players do.

Besides, Lebron will sell more merchandise.

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If you think he only "occasionally" dominates games, you need to watch more Wolves games. That is just silly.

Rd 2, game 7 last year: 32 pts, 21 reb, 5 blocks, 4 steals, scored 13 of the team's first 15 pts in the 4th quarter.

End of "doesn't show up in the clutch" nonsense.

tolbiny
12-19-2004, 07:29 PM
Regular season means virtualy nothing when discussing who you want to build your team around. You picked up 1 example from a series that should never have gone 7 games in the first place.

Non_Comformist
12-19-2004, 07:32 PM
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Regular season means virtualy nothing when discussing who you want to build your team around.

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I disagree, I don't see anyone taking Robert Horry or Bruce Bowen.

CrazyEyez
12-19-2004, 07:45 PM
Regular season means virtualy nothing when discussing who you want to build your team around.

I don't think I said anything about regular season, but I completely disagree anyway.

You picked up 1 example from a series that should never have gone 7 games in the first place.

I don't even know what that means or why it matters how it got to 7 games. I picked an example which happens to be one of the most dominant postseason performances in recent years.

You said regular season doesn't matter, and then you said the playoff example doesn't count. That doesn't sound like a reasonable argument.

And regarding who to choose to build a franchise - I have not even said that Lebron is the wrong choice. I have only said that it's not "stupid" to consider someone other than him.

tolbiny
12-22-2004, 07:10 AM
Let me rephrase-
When comparing the top 10 NBA players thier preformances During the season would get them into the top 10- but it would be their post season numbers that would mostly affected how thy feel within those 10- it is because of his postseason performances that i would drop KG into the 4 or 6 slot of best in the NBA. I don't want to sound like hes a chump, i just think there are at least three other players who i would take- and up to 5 by the time a couple of the others hit thier first or second playoff run.

tolbiny
12-22-2004, 07:15 AM
I was clearly being to harsh on KG- i think he is top 7 nba- top 4 regular season player.

"I have only said that it's not "stupid" to consider someone other than him."

I was just pointing out my disagreement with picking KG.

"I don't even know what that means or why it matters how it got to 7 games"

Being able to win a series early and give your team a few days extra rest after a long season can be a big advantage in the playoffs. Players who bust out in game 7 to win it, when had they turned it on a game or two earlier are missing something about baseketball.
I think that great players have the ability to turn on basically anytime they want/need- i don't see that ability in KG (he obvviously can light it up on any given night, he is extrodinarily talented.

thatpfunk
12-22-2004, 08:32 AM
Sorry for starting the argument. My choiceof words was wrong. It would never be stupid to pick KG, but I do believe Lebron is significantly better.

ThaSaltCracka
12-22-2004, 11:49 AM
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Sorry for starting the argument. My choiceof words was wrong. It would never be stupid to pick KG, but I do believe Lebron is significantly better.

[/ QUOTE ]I disagree, I would take KG over him simply for his size and defensive presence. IMO, both are a push offensively.

jagoff
12-22-2004, 11:53 AM
I think Lebron has that "it" factor. The one the MJ possessed. The one where he could take over a game. He can make an amazing play to spark that fire in his teammates bellies. KG is a great player don't get me wrong! BUT, if I were starting up a franchise I would have to pick Lebron to get me started.

ThaSaltCracka
12-22-2004, 12:00 PM
um, yeah, if you were starting a franchise. I really don't like bashing either one, because both are in the top 5 in the NBA, and really there is no use arguing that fact.

jagoff
12-22-2004, 12:06 PM
Agreed. But you still suck!

ThaSaltCracka
12-22-2004, 12:09 PM
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Agreed. But you still suck!

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, but atleast I don't have blue balls.

jagoff
12-22-2004, 12:10 PM
It's the only part of my genitalia I can see! Too cold. Shrinkage!

WEASEL45
12-22-2004, 03:14 PM
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I was clearly being to harsh on KG- i think he is top 7 nba- top 4 regular season player.

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Who do you think is better?