Ugly lil blind hand

[BottlesOf]

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

[KJS]

You really need to fold bad hands in the blinds.

KJS

[spamuell]

Why didn't you bet the turn?

[BottlesOf]

If you're folding this getting 11:1 I suspect you're giving up a lot in your blinds play.

[Tosh]

I think it plays itself for the most part. I half wonder whether it might be worth looking him up but really he bet into 5 players twice so only the small minority have AK here and there is no information to be gained from seeing him show you an overpair either.

[IndieMatty]

I have had much success with a check raise on the flop. see where you stand after that.

[BottlesOf]

Yea, I'm going to be posting a number of hands for the next few weeks that may be ho hum, as I'm having some trouble adjusting to the 15 game.

[BottlesOf]

This was kind of my intention, but the bet came from an unexpected place.

[IndieMatty]

You HAVE to play this. If I had to guess why some struggle up at 15/30 it would be because they drop a lot of these types of (crappy) hands.

[AceHigh]

Fold the turn or call the river. I try to make my good laydowns before the river.

Why don't you bet or check/raise the flop? The pot is big, let's fight for it.

[IndieMatty]

I'm a little drunk. Yeah mission gets f'ed when UTG+1 bets. Lead the turn.

PS. I'm at a super bad table right now. (NOT A BAD BEAT POST)

I checked the river...instinct.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, SB folds, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (17 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 17 BB

BB - 29s
UTG 64o

[Vote4Pedro]

I think youre way behind the entire time, however, if you call the turn, you almost have to call the river...I dont understand what kind of river you were hoping for but a J doesnt look very scary considering the bettors preflop, flop, and turn play...

[IndieMatty]

The more I look at this hand, the more I am apt to agree with you. For some reason though I immediately put this guy on 3's. But with 3's I think he would have checked the river. Without a read this is a tough one. I would have had to see what he had.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

[ QUOTE ]
You HAVE to play this. If I had to guess why some struggle up at 15/30 it would be because they drop a lot of these types of (crappy) hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is wrong. yes, folding would be an error, but the big money isn't made in the blinds, it's playing good hands in position. so if you're struggling it's not because of these minute little preflop choices, it's the postflop play.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

[ QUOTE ]
I have had much success with a check raise on the flop. see where you stand after that.

[/ QUOTE ]

given where the bet came from and the number of callers, checkraising this flop is Retarded.

[IndieMatty]

Agreed..yes I retracted this. What should he do?

[J.R.]

As other have pointed out, check-call the flop, then either fold the turn or call the turn and call the river (maybe not if you know you man and the river is a real bad card like an A, but in such a case is rare in the party 15). On the turn he has 2 outs v an overpair, so if he called the turn, it because he didn't think his opponent had an overpair often enough to justify folding. I would call the turn and river in this situation.

He doesn't have the odds to draw to a 2 outer alone, but he is getting 11-2 to call down [maybe less if pfr checks behind on the river or if he can/should fold on a river ace] and he improves around 5% of the time, so he needs his opponent to have an overpair less than somewhere around 70% of the time (if he can fold to river ace he should call the turn if he thinks his opponent has an overpair less around 75-80% I think but its late).

If he thinks his opponent won't bet an unimpoved ace on the river, he needs to at least call the turn. In light of that turn call the river fold on a card unlikly to hit a pfr's big cards makes little sense absent a specific read on whct the pfr would play most bare big Aces here. IMO this is a call down absent specific player info.

[phy1234]

I guess I am just wondering if you were only calling the river if you improved? If the river was an 8 instead of a J are you calling?